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ADC - Botrk vs. BT - What has highest damage? (I'm Diamond 5 and still need help with this)

Zellieth·10/14/2014, 11:54:52 PM·1 votes·4,105 views

Ok - I play a LOT of adc with a huge champion pool. KogMaw, Lucian, Caitlyn, Jinx, Ashe, Graves, Varus, Tristana, yada yada yada. Basically, I play everyone. PLEASE fyi that I am biased with BT unless I'm playing kogmaw or vayne.

I think BT does more damage hands down with caster adc such as corki and ezreal. But how about auto-attack ADC's such as caitlyn, jinx, Tristana, ashe?

Arguments for BT:

In skirmish fights you're going to be doing bursts of auto attacks (no more than 2-4 Autos) before you have significantly reposition so that you can keep autoing or evade skill shots which lead to your death. BT will hit harder in this situation and give you more sustain
Stronger adc scaling (duh) - means your jinx ulti / caitlyn ulti can finish targets off easier
I said this in point #1, but seriously, you get TWICE the sustain.
Stronger crits?
trading in teamfights.

Arguments for BOTRK:

1v1 fights - even then this is arguable because BT gives you more sustain.
Definitely more damage if you can get a ton of auto attacks out during a longer teamfight. But consider Solo Q, regardless of your elo, sometimes your tanky teammates refuse to go in and start tanking for you. Therefore, you can't really stand still to keep autoing. The few precious moments that you can squeeze out auto attacks need to have maximum damage. What are your thoughts?
Attack speed - procs Statik Shiv

What are your thoughts?

18 Comments

Earl Eulrich10/15/2014, 12:59:48 AM4 votes

Abilities don´t scale with botrk aswell as with BT
Botrk-on-hit doesn´t scale with crit, so your target needs really high HP for Botrk to outdps BT lategame
you often follow up on initiations as ADC, so most of the times your target aren´t at 100%health to beginn with and Botrks passive loses most of it´s strength

Azlagor10/15/2014, 1:25:39 AM2 votes

on cait/jinx/tris, BT gives more dps unless u face a very maxhealth focused team, as all three of them have no real as scaling, but high bas as/steroids and ccait+jinx also have good ratios on their poke.

on twitch/kog/vayne BotrK is better because they scale well with as. however, u can built it on all carrys for a midgame spike(less needed since IE buffs) and for the extra peeling active

Zellieth10/15/2014, 2:40:10 AM2 votes

Thanks Don. thanks for spelling it out clearly for me <3 I love the EUW responses.

NoMonku10/15/2014, 8:55:04 AM1 votes

Man, not love for Twitch or Corki. I shun you as an ADC player who does not love these two. Anyways, in general BT is better overall. It gives you a shield, allows you to push towers down faster, allows your skills to hit harder(if you have AD ratios), and in general is superior to BotRK. Also BT helps counter Assassins, as you actually have more choices of a defensive item as an ADC instead of just having to get GA so you would be able to come up after they popped you.

BotRK is okay. Twitch and Vayne its a good rush and on Kog I think its supposed to be a good second item, though IE can be gotten instead(assuming you went Tri first item). Also if you're against tank champions who dive onto you, BotRK should allow you to be able to rip through them faster and help you peel with its active as well. Also BotRK can work as a great 6th item if you don't want/need to get a defensive item.

Jefftiffy10/15/2014, 5:27:20 PM1 votes

I personally prefer Botrk. As ADC you need positioning and your team isn't always the best at peeling for you. Botrk active is very useful in team fights. Botrk allows easier kiting by allowing you to AA more while running while BT allows you to take a little bit more damage. Although Botrk nearly always is better due to the active if you don't use it while you are full health. Plus conisidering a lot of the time bruisers are going to be diving you the passive helps a lot to punish them for it.

I like to kite with ADCs so I build around that and it tends to work for me. Personally I believe building BT on someone like Cait just makes her fall off harder (ability reliance is the fall off).

Evil Jester10/15/2014, 6:18:30 PM1 votes

depends on your ADC. BOTRK synergised better with varus's W. while with someone like graves, you need burst damage so BT would be best due to the higher AD damage.

check the scaling power on your ADC's. if AD scales low like 30% the BOTRK would be best. if its a higher AD scale then BT.

PatMcGroyn11/14/2014, 3:07:23 PM1 votes

BotRK's on hit damage is huge, it gives more sustained DPS. Even against squishy targets, the on hit damage is ridiculously high. 8% of 2000 is 160 damage on hit; against a carry with 100 or less armor, that's an extra 80 damage on hit, whereas BT would only give 40 extra damage on hit against the same target. However, BT is superior defensively (twice the lifesteal, the shield), and will do more damage in an AD burst spell rotation.

I personally prefer BT on close range caster type marksmen, like Lucian/ Graves. BotRK gives better DPS for auto attack hypercarries like Vayne/ Trist/ Cait/ Kog, but sometimes you need the extra defense of BT over BotRK. So, it's situational.

Onegarion11/14/2014, 3:21:07 PM1 votes

I'm not an adc main, but I have from time to time build Bork on champs like Cait/Jinx/Ashe, but those are under extremely specific circumstances. This typically relies on the enemy team have no less than 2 champs that are mass stacking HP items. I also look to see what kind of comp they have and what that high HP champ can do. If they are just a front line tank and not really going to get to me and cause damage it doesn't matter, but if its someone like a mundo that can stick to you it can really help. Also I find it helps when those same 2 HP tanks are stacking a lot of armor on top of it. This lets the passive deal much more damage than if they have hybrid resistances. Also if they have hybrid resistances then Bork isn't that great because you should be able to shred through their armor with a BT and LW.

Overall its very rare that i get Bork on nontypical champs. If your champ doesn't focus on AS as a main goal like Vayne/Twitch/Kog, I'd suggest only getting it when the enemy team has a lot of HP on at least 2 champs that are going to stick to you where you need to be able to self peel (even if you can't). You are useless if they stack Armor and deal little damage or if they can take you down faster than you can simply because of their health.

Thats my take on it, but like I said I'm not an adc main and I don't really go to bork on non traditional champs.

Solemblum10/23/2015, 4:57:58 AM1 votes

I main Tristana and I have full life steal quints so I just get a vamp first than item 3031 item 3046 item 3035 with boots In between and finish with my Bork. Although I may finish it early if I'm behind and need the AS and surviving potential

SnowFall10/15/2014, 12:05:16 AM1 votes

There is no reason to use botrk for ashe and cait. I could start with botrk on jinx and tris because it's much easier to build, not always u can stay in lane to farm 1550, they also have to be in closer range early, the active is kinda useless if u dont get close. Botrk has synergy with attack speed so it's best on those with high attack speed. If I go Botrk I usually go item 3153 item 3142 item 3031 item 3035 If I go BT I go item 3072 item 3046

Evil Jester10/25/2015, 1:23:13 AM1 votes

who necro'ed this?

12tales10/15/2014, 12:14:27 AM1 votes

BT is pretty much never the best item for damage. It's a good item because of the defensive utility it provides, not the 80 AD. Even on caster oriented champions like Corki, BotRK is the superior item for damage [1].

If you want to siege, go BT. If you want to teamfight (or punish the enemy for stacking health, for instance against a Mundo), go BotRK. Some champions have relatively strong preferences one way or another, due to their kit and playstyle - Twitch and Vayne always want BotRK, for example, while Caitlyn almost always wants BT - but for most champions, it's a situational choice.

[1]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1i9ZBwJXoiABIL2p6rHxl_OMDmBQHJBnEYgfaHS5w-ks/edit#gid=2108390241

Zellieth10/15/2014, 12:33:13 AM1 votes

ehhhh thanks for the input 12tales. and snowfall.

I still don't feel 100% on which item is better. Snowfall I never will go BOTRK first on jinx or trist ever. I rush IE / PD (or SS) almost always. If I don't have 1550g and only have 1000g, I buy a pick axe and some potions.