We all know his dive is unreliable with a pretty long cool down. I think making it always uninterruptible would be a little much.
However, it should be changed to be uninterruptible while Aatrox's bloodwell is full.
This is a small buff that rewards players for keeping his bloodwell full.
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Spaceman5pff17 votesI love the idea of giving aatrox some love, but think he needs kit changes that keep his thematic, not compensation buffs to a pretty dull kit
TheDarkinLegend2 votesHonestly, I like his kit. I think its very strong in lane. The only think that needs to change for thematic purposes is his ult. Something that gives a AOE buff to nearby teammates, as he inspires courage to fight.
macromite1 votesno, honestly anyone that thinks aa should get an area buff clearly doesn't understand what it means to be an inspiring leader, and are taking some words far too literally.
if you want an idea of a good inspiring leader, here is one.
known through his country as warrior, he is an inspiration to all soldiers with him. does he have any ally buffs at all? no of course not, he doesn't need them. he inspires his allies by words and actions, not spells. aatrox is the same.
TheDarkinLegend1 votesApparently you lack reading skill. Unlike Garen's lore, Aatrox's LITERALLY describes him turning the tide of battle almost by simply showing up.
"His presence inspired the desperate warriors. At first, they could only watch in awe as this unknown hero cleaved through their enemies, his body and blade moving in unison as if one being. Soon, the warriors found themselves imbued with a potent thirst for battle. They followed Aatrox into the fray, each fighting with the furious strength of ten until they had won a most unlikely victory."
Do you see the part about how the warriors found themselves imbued? It clearly describes them fighting with more ferocity than before. Sounds like an AOE team buff to me.
macromite1 votesthe difference between garen's lore and aatrox's lore is perspective. nothing more. also note how the soldiers did not immediately find themselves imbued with strength, instead they found it watching him fight. not like a buff, like watching a master swordsman fight. which aatrox is, clearly.
TheDarkinLegend1 votesYou are so obnoxious and so ridiculous. Please stop commenting on this thread.
macromite2 votesI will not, for the fact that I think I can have people understand. also, if i am obnoxious for responding, then what am I responding to. also, if i am ridiculous for disagreeing, then who is disagreeing with me.
on those fronts, you can not be in the right. we are either both wrong or both right.
TheDarkinLegend1 votesYou are just some unsocialized awkward nerd who is so detached from reality that you think your stupid perspective is somehow more correct than literally everyone else.
Literally no one else thinks Aatrox, as he is, fits his lore.
macromite1 votesHmm, you seem to be misinformed. at any rate, you should probably rethink your stance, insulting others is not a good way to argue.
TheDarkinLegend1 votesOn the contrary, insults are the best way to argue.
What you meant to say is that insulting others is not a good way to debate.
macromite1 votesin neither case of description is arguement something you use insults for. I mean, in all actuality an argument is an exchange of opposing views, or a reason or set of reasons why something is right or wrong. and insult is truly neither of these.
TheDarkinLegend1 votesCool story.
macromite1 votesnor is dismissing. all that shows is that you don't believe yourself enough.
ninjaIRL 1 votesA counter example is Sivir's ultimate.
It's not NEEDED but if that is the case then so are many other aspects/abilities of other champions.
In Aatrox's lore the Protectorates were severely outnumbered and I believed had been augmented by Aatrox's presence, somehow, though powerfully.
Soon, the warriors found themselves imbued with a potent thirst for battle. They followed Aatrox into the fray, each fighting with the furious strength of ten...
I don't think it's too far-fetched to place an area of effect ally buff ability or effect on Aatrox. Conversely Sivir's lore doesn't have any scenarios as powerful as the one I just quoted and she has an area of effect ally buff ultimate.
Given all this, I don't think the Riot champion creation or Riot's champion rework team follows the translation from lore to gameplay as strict as I think they should. Sion doesn't need to have CC immunity charge ability as much as Aatrox would have an area ally buff.
There's also the gameplay philosophy with Garen that Riot tries to keep him as one of the LESS complex characters in the game since he is meant to be a starter character. For players who are new and are more focused on their own performance - therefore an area ally buff effect wouldn't be such a priority on Garen.
It's been 3 years since Riot has reworked or have taken an extensively rethink of the idea of Sivir, so their gameplay philosophy since then may have changed.
Pika Fox3 votesAgreed. Hes too much like Yi to really be anything else, yet has too many issues in his kit to make him as strong as Yi.
charcharmunro3 votesExcept, he's not Yi. Yi is better at 1v1-ing and clean-up. Aatrox is a great teamfighter if he's decently ahead, as he can basically go full war god on people and just drain-tank anything.
macromite5 voteshis kit fits his thematic pretty well. it's just that people don't understand the thematic.
Beuhlakor4 voteshis kit fits his thematic pretty well. it's just that people don't understand the thematic.
I really don't agree. His kit is boring. Yes, it might fit with his thematic, but Riot could have done a far better job.
Multiple AS steroids is a necessity on current Aatrox but it is absolutely boring. I love the effect on his R, but seriously, for an ultimate called "Massacre" it feels underwhelming.
And don't get me started on his E. Sure, it "works" in the sense that it makes the champion works : it gives him waveclear, some harass and a soft CC in the form a slow. But for an ability called BLADE OF TORMENT on a champion that is basically THE GOD OF WAR (ot at least some avatar of war) of LoL, having some "pew pew magic" when we know that he can grow the size of his sword is .... VERY underwhelming.
And also this ability has shitty scaling.
macromite3 voteshonestly, the only change i would do to aatrox is change his ult. remove the as boost and remove the aoe ap damage and replace with a buff that lasts as long as the current one that makes his auto's apply in a cone rather than just hitting one target. his current kit fits his thematic quite well regardless of that change that i would like to see. the abilities of course don't really matter, it's how they work. the reason why he flies when he ults and why he stays in the air before he dashes is because he is pretty much a demonic field commander who flies to gain height and prestige rather than sitting on a horse. the reason why he has no untargetable on the q is because riot wanted people to have the feeling of sniping the commander off his horse.
I can give you blade of torment, but they really needed him to have a bit of darkin magic in him somewhere, otherwise we probably wouldn't understand that darkin have magic.
ninjaIRL 2 votesroflmao, thought you were seriously against his point for a sec
TheDarkinLegend4 votesHis theme clearly puts him as some inspiring leader, a master or war who can give the edge to fighters who are in a fight that they feel they are behind....nothing in his kit reflects that, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
Crowe Stalker4 votesTo be fair, Swain's supposed to be a Master Tactician, but until the Rework his niche is 'Demon Bird Drain Tank'
ninjaIRL 1 votesSome Swain players like to think that Swain's show of his prowess in magic and battle is a statement to the world that he NOT just some weak brittle character with a genius mind. Therefore, he COULD use his tactics but he's so powerful he doesn't need to!
Crowe Stalker4 votesAs a roleplayer I think that's a mistake. He WANTS people to underestimate him because they make exploitable mistakes. A true Tactician need only rely on their mind (though Magic certainly helps)
I don't mind the Ult, but I think if they tried they could make a more interesting kit.
Jari5 votesSwain on the summoners rift is an example of swain who's basically backed into a corner. He doesn't have an army to command. No escape routes, least none that will confirm his survival. In the moment of truth, he reveals his true power, as people normally would believe him to be weaker since he has to be a tactician.
I'm not saying if the kit fits it or not, but that's a way to look at swain in game. Cornered and out of options.
jama6556 votesaatrox just needs love period
Lazypeon1005 votesThis actually sounds like a really good idea. Currently, his dive is bad due to how telegraphed it is and how easy it is to either dodge or just flat out stop. This would reward an Aatrox for doing well and would he a minor buff. I'm cool with it.
TheDarkinLegend1 votesThank you. This is a minor buff that would help mitigate the massive amounts of CC that all the current meta champions have.
Lazypeon1003 votesI do think he needs a rework at some point, but similar to how they gave urgot a fear on his ult, Aatrox needs something until they decide (if they decide) to rework him. I think this is a good idea to help him until then, cheers!
Slamurai Jack5 votesI'd rather they just make the knockup hitbox a little bigger. It's so unreliable for such an important ability and making it just a bit bigger would do wonders for Aatrox.
Lord Galvatron4 votesAgreed, he pretty underrated as of now but the only thing keeping from being a solid pick is his joke of a Q radius.
TheDarkinLegend3 votesThat would also help. However it is possible to be skilled enough to make the most out of it, whereas no amount of skill will help you escape with his dive against enemies that have shit tons of CC that knock him down when he tries to jump
TyroneWatermelon4 votesAatrox main approves
ninjaIRL 1 votesBut your profile picture!
TyroneWatermelon2 votesBy that logic are you a poro main?
ninjaIRL 1 votesBut you can;t play poros. However you can play Teemo.
TyroneWatermelon2 votesI do play teemo a lot,but Aatrox is still my main
Veraska4 votesI dunno, I'd like to see aatrox changed in different ways personally, stuff that addresses his game health issues, before they start introducing mechanics that remove counterplay
TheDevice3 votesI'm pretty sure Riot has a "no comment" policy on Aatrox
RisenFromTheAsh1 votesHow about at full blood well it becomes a targetable ability? If they flash, you follow etc.
Earthlord Jazz1 votesHow about at full blood well it becomes a targetable ability? If they flash, you follow etc.
That sounds a little too strong. I like the idea of making him uninterruptable a little more
TheDarkinLegend2 votesI agree, a little strong
RisenFromTheAsh1 votesNo other dash has the destiction of being uninterruptible, i don't think it really makes sense to just add it in for aatrox. Although making it a targeted ability is probably a little strong.
AHeroNamedHawke10 votesNo other dash has the destiction of being uninterruptible, i don't think it really makes sense to just add it in for aatrox. Although making it a targeted ability is probably a little strong.
iamthegoatofwar2 voteswell maokai also makes himself untargetable as well.
kile1473 votesMalphite ult
Toru Itai1 votesIn my opinion they should remove the revive and give all of his skills bonuses depending on the fullness of his Bloodwell
(never was fond of revives unless they're rediculusly stacked[zil ult GA Aatrox passive, funzies]) i think actual combat power would help him out much more than geting to die twice every 3 minutes.
ninjaIRL 2 votesBlood Well Revive passive.
Level 1 - 3.75 minutes : Three minutes and 45 seconds. Level 6 - 3.3333 minutes : Three minutes and 20 seconds. Level 11 - 2.91 minutes : Two minutes and like 55 seconds. Level 16 - 2.5 minutes : Two minutes and 30 seconds.
Toru Itai1 votesso a little more than 3 minutes on average. not certain why you said that. :X?
TheDarkinLegend3 votesI agree.