Mordekaiser Ideas

Lord Phazanor ··3 votes·1,242 views

So, the Mordekaiser rework being what it is (I won't paste every link to every single complaint thread or topic, there are 100+ if you google it), and after all this time, I thought I could add my grain too.

First, why doesn't RIOT makes a poll? A simple poll on your website, asking if the player base wants to keep that rework or not.

Secondly, if you don't re-rework him, changing his scalings to be somewhat effective would already be a huge thing. At the moment, he scales off of HP, AD, AP, MPen, ArPen, needs movement speed and Rylai's slow to be viable. This means you can't itemize efficiently at all. Armor pen and magic pen are worthless on him due to hybrid damage and going full tank will make you deal no damage. If he scaled (offensively) off AD and HP, or AP and HP, it would be perfect. It's SUPER simple, so why not? And most of all, how didn't you think about it?

Number 3: he's not viable bot lane. He can do things if played with Taric or Blitz (and the like), which means he's not viable since having to play with a champ to do well isn't good at all. So either make it viable bot lane, which is nearly impossible and is a bad idea anyways, or scrap all his duo lane bonuses and switch that power to actual things. His dragon ghost: either he can get a herald ghost too, or none. Give him back the armor and magic resist on his W, and the damage even when self-cast.

4, and this one may piss you off: the visuals... Who woke up one day and said "oh wow, let's turn the visual effects of a giant metal wraith to purple smoke, giant metal particles aren't good enough". This doesn't change gameplay at all, but god how bad these effects are. Yes, you put a lot of work and effort in these, but the base idea was wrong.

5: his ult.The thing we all (yes, all, go check it) liked about his ult was the damage. Who got the idea to change it from bursty to sustained? It's the point of it.

6: the Q. No one is ever hit by the 3rd proc, unless you have ms, a slow or hard cc from a friend, which only happens late game, unless you play adc morde, which doesn't happens since it doesn't work, remember? So either bring back the old q, which was broken, or actually do something good. A giant cleave effect? An auto that you can charge? I'm no game designer, go find something that actually works.

7:Morde is a solo laner. Mid or top. He should be designed as such. Like, really. No bot lane. I used to play him bot sometimes with soraka for the perma heal. But it was situational. Like everychamp that you don't play in it's intended role. It could work, sometimes. But most often it wouldn't.

And finally, but I know I do this vainly: why don't you just put the real Mordekaiser back?

And please, please, pretty please, answer. To me or anyone that made a complaint thread on Morde. It's been a long time and you never replied officially. Why?

And as a personal request: can you put the old Lord Mordekaiser splash art back? The new one is objectively and technically worse than the old.

16 Comments

Clutch Thompson2 votes

With Spellvamp gone, it'd be bad news if they took away the sustain from the reworked W harvesters of sorrow.
Maybe just revert his Q, Shield %, and R? I honestly like E how it is. It rewards you for hitting 2 champs in a gank by giving bonus shield, which with ult and ignite up can turn into a double kill often times for mordekaiser.

having E's damage and range down from pre-rework keep his poke balanced while still giving good shield without high damage due to the effect of the ability.

just my opinions. I just started playing this game when the rework was released and I started maining this champ a couple months ago. I managed to leave bronze with only using this champ in top/mid/bot with a 58% win rate overall :D. not malicious metal status but I understand the champ well.

Lord Phazanor 2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Actual Gin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZU3P0mwL,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-06T15:35:48.589+0000)

With Spellvamp gone, it'd be bad news if they took away the sustain from the reworked W harvesters of sorrow.
Maybe just revert his Q, Shield %, and R? I honestly like E how it is. It rewards you for hitting 2 champs in a gank by giving bonus shield, which with ult and ignite up can turn into a double kill often times for mordekaiser.

having E's damage and range down from pre-rework keep his poke balanced while still giving good shield without high damage due to the effect of the ability.

just my opinions. I just started playing this game when the rework was released and I started maining this champ a couple months ago. I managed to leave bronze with only using this champ in top/mid/bot with a 58% win rate overall :D. not malicious metal status but I understand the champ well.

As you said, with spellvamp gone, the sustain on W needs to stay. But the % shield on champion hit with E was already there before the update. The AD and AP scaling serves no purpose outside of nerfing his poke early (which defined him). And yes, his ultimate definitely needs to be bursty again. I don't know how they thought Morde was about sustained damage. Also, the fact you didn't play him before his update makes this hard to discuss: he was a melee range burst mage. Totally deadly in close range, but with kiting or burst he was dead. Now he can't do anything good, he's meh at everything.

Still, criticism and opinions is what can make it better, so please, share this with every Mord player you know. After so much time, I really want the champion that made me play LoL come back. It's so sad :'(

And remember to vote!

Clutch Thompson2 votes

ohhhh thank you for the E clarification; I thought the E % bonus was new in the rework.

the total AD scalings were probably put there so he could build tank and still do some damage. so like sterak's gage would be decent on him.

I guess I like that i can build things like item 3156 item 3139 item 3053 and benefit from the AD.

I still like how the old builds seem though because you could build more AP and hit harder with the scaling from that for Children of the grave.

I voted to revert :)

Also from the way you described old morde, it actually fits riot's goals for him in the juggernaut class better than the current state LOL.

save for maybe his crazy slow MS.

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Actual Gin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ZU3P0mwL,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-06T17:38:49.929+0000)

ohhhh thank you for the E clarification; I thought the E % bonus was new in the rework.

the total AD scalings were probably put there so he could build tank and still do some damage. so like sterak's gage would be decent on him.

I guess I like that i can build things like item 3156 item 3139 item 3053 and benefit from the AD.

I still like how the old builds seem though because you could build more AP and hit harder with the scaling from that for Children of the grave.

I voted to revert :)

Also from the way you described old morde, it actually fits riot's goals for him in the juggernaut class better than the current state LOL.

save for maybe his crazy slow MS.

He wasn't really a Juggernaut. He was more like a Riven: offense meant defense, and hard cc meant death. He dealt high damage and while dealing damage, he had a lot of shield. One cc and you died. Also, no random scalings meant straightforward item choices: AP first, MrPen after. The shield scaled off resistances so you could get Zhonya's and Abyssal and have a lot (LOT) of effective HP.

Clutch Thompson2 votes

Gotcha. I'm a little disappointed I didn't start playing until patch 5.16 haha. This champion is imo tied with singed for most fun to play as

Oleandervine2 votes

He just needs a Sion style complete and utter overhaul. His model is hideous. His kit is a disaster. He has no thematic relevance to the Shadow Isles aside from lore. He's just armor who sometimes makes a ghost and cosplays as Magneto. He needs to be looked at and brought into line with a solid, non-gimmicky role and his looks need to solidify him as a Shadow Isle champ i.e., give him a look similar to Thresh, Kalista, or Karthus, complete with the wispy greenish aether.

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

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He just needs a Sion style complete and utter overhaul. His model is hideous. His kit is a disaster. He has no thematic relevance to the Shadow Isles aside from lore. He's just armor who sometimes makes a ghost and cosplays as Magneto. He needs to be looked at and brought into line with a solid, non-gimmicky role and his looks need to solidify him as a Shadow Isle champ i.e., give him a look similar to Thresh, Kalista, or Karthus, complete with the wispy greenish aether.

I totally forgot to mention it, but yes, his pizza feet are obsolete, he looks at his feet when he walks, etc etc. He isn't visually up to date. That said, asking for a Sion-grade overhaul will make it happen in 5 to 10 years. Just tweaking his numbers for him to be more like he was before would take "no time" (it would, but come on, I'm sure Riot can handle that). And please almost the whole comunity.

Oleandervine2 votes

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I totally forgot to mention it, but yes, his pizza feet are obsolete, he looks at his feet when he walks, etc etc. He isn't visually up to date. That said, asking for a Sion-grade overhaul will make it happen in 5 to 10 years. Just tweaking his numbers for him to be more like he was before would take "no time" (it would, but come on, I'm sure Riot can handle that). And please almost the whole comunity.

It could be faster than that. Ryze has been reworked and reworked and he's still broken, and he's now to the point where they're visually overhauling him and taking one last stab at his kit. If there's enough noise about Mordekaiser, they could very likely bump him up on the overhaul list and push him out next year. They've already discussed that they have no concrete reworks next year, only that Warwick and Evelynn are high on the list. And in comparison to them, his pizza feet are a larger affront to fashion than Warwick's clunkiness and Evelynn's dominatrix get up.

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

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It could be faster than that. Ryze has been reworked and reworked and he's still broken, and he's now to the point where they're visually overhauling him and taking one last stab at his kit. If there's enough noise about Mordekaiser, they could very likely bump him up on the overhaul list and push him out next year. They've already discussed that they have no concrete reworks next year, only that Warwick and Evelynn are high on the list.

Then, as I said before, help me make noise, share this! Or tell me how to do, because even though I posted the links on Fb and Twitter, there aren't a lot of people here ^^ How did you come here?

Oleandervine2 votes

I just saw it in the recent tab on the forum.

Slack King1 votes

ARpen is worthless on mord I hit plenty of people with his Q

A big issue is if you build damage you are weak to just being bursted down. If you build tanky youre weak to just being kited/outdamaged or just killed by any adc/graves Having his shield scale with your hp is nice, but cause you to get forced into the few hp items with no mana. Your build gets constricted Going AD screws you out of the W heal, which has saved me more than anything. Them constantly nerfing his movespeed was a nice touch, even though he is one of the slowest champions with 0 CC, which forces you onto stormraiders.

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

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ARpen is worthless on mord I hit plenty of people with his Q

A big issue is if you build damage you are weak to just being bursted down. If you build tanky youre weak to just being kited/outdamaged or just killed by any adc/graves Having his shield scale with your hp is nice, but cause you to get forced into the few hp items with no mana. Your build gets constricted Going AD screws you out of the W heal, which has saved me more than anything. Them constantly nerfing his movespeed was a nice touch, even though he is one of the slowest champions with 0 CC, which forces you onto stormraiders.

Mordekaiser deals mixed damage, although mainly magic. I still wouldn't say ArPen is worthless... You hit plenty of people. Yes ok. Like a bronze player who meets Mord for the first time, or a tank who doesn't give a shit, or a random dude who didn't buy boots while you have Rylai's, boots and Triforce? Or is it a guy your team hard cc'ed?

I agree with the rest of what you said.

Anyhow, I don't get the point of what you wrote.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

I like Mord's current kit. A small movespeed buff is enough to make him easier to play. I run ghost and flash on him, and my usual build is Riliyas, Steraks, Ludens, Duskblade, Berserker Boots, and either Landrieu or Deathcap. It gives me mobility, on hit effects, delayed 25% chunk, huehues, movespeed, AS, health, fat heals, a slow, and burst. PENTAKILL

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

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I like Mord's current kit. A small movespeed buff is enough to make him easier to play. I run ghost and flash on him, and my usual build is Riliyas, Steraks, Ludens, Duskblade, Berserker Boots, and either Landrieu or Deathcap. It gives me mobility, on hit effects, delayed 25% chunk, huehues, movespeed, AS, health, fat heals, a slow, and burst. PENTAKILL

Honestly, the topic isn't how to play him. It's how he should be reworked. I mean, your build looks fun and all, but as almost every build on him, it's too "all over the place" to be effective. A champ shouldn't need so much different stats to be relevant. You can't specialize with Mordekaiser like you used to. Like I said earlier, you MUST have MS, AP, HP, a lot of resistances, Rylai's, etc.

Before, you could either go full AP and wreak havok, but a single stun or burst before you charge up meant you were dead. Or you could go tank and be really unkillable, switching from burst to damage over time. Both were totally viable and you could switch depending on the situation.

You can't be as effective now. You want to play a heavy damage tough guy? Play Garen, Darius and the likes. You like AP more? Go for Rumble, Ryze or even Zac. If you want pure tank, you can go Sion or Malphite.

Mordekaiser is fun, the problem here is that he's not competitive. He has no role, no purpose. He's not defined.

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

I don't get why people don't see him as a lane pusher. I can agree that his role atm is hard to define, but with some AD and AS (can someone say Guinsoos, huehue) you can melt towers VERY quickly.

Lord Phazanor 1 votes

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I don't get why people don't see him as a lane pusher. I can agree that his role atm is hard to define, but with some AD and AS (can someone say Guinsoos, huehue) you can melt towers VERY quickly.

He was a better lane pusher before his update. He's still an over the top pusher, but if you only consider that aspect, then he's worse now. You need items to have decent waveclear unlike before the update.

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