Buff Ahri and Shyvana

Jun Long·May 19, 2016·2 votes·1,337 views

I have to say, with all these nerfs on them, they have fallen out of many people's favor.

If you are going to nerf Shyvana's Q Twin Bite (like why though), at least change or buff her passive. It is pretty lame. Like increase the armor and magic resist, or give her a passive that maybe she could increase her health for every armor and magic resist. Or better yet, just give back her Q.

As for Ahri, her AP scaling is really poor. The highest it goes is 50%, her E Charm, and that is a mana drainer. Could you at least either increase her AP scaling on her ultimate (it is so bad, even for secondary assassin) from 30% to 50%, or take that 30% damage thingy off her W Fox-Fire? The only time I see an OP Ahri is when the enemy team is doing so bad, her low damage hurts them real bad.

Do it for me, Rito

22 Comments

LightIsMyPathMay 19, 20164 votes

Ahri is perfectly fine, she doesn't suffer at all from that ratios, considering they are multiplied if you do yur stuff right q=x2 w=x3 - 30% r=x3

She may fall off a little very late in game, but if you want a late game mage you are not picking ahri anyway

hibernisMay 19, 20163 votes

I agree on Shyvana buff, but not Ahri. Her scaling is not that bad. Q: 0.35 x 2 = 0.7 W: 0.4 + 0.12 + 0. 12 = 0.64 E: 0.5 R: 0.3 x 3 = 0.9

And her playrate and winrate are decent enough, so I don't think Ahri needs buff.

EreldraMay 19, 20163 votes

Don't know about Shyvanna, since I#ve never played her, but Ahri is absolutely fine and don't need buffs. The Charm nerf instantly eliminated her from Pro-Play, but her winrate as well as her playrate ist still quite high in Dynamic Q. Her dmg ist certainly not her strong point, especially compared to what some other mages can put out, but it is still enough, if you know how to play her. Her high mobilty and safety makes up for it and any buff to her dmg would require a nerf to her Ult or the Q-MS. Personally, I'd rather keep her the way she is now.

Buff Jax pleaseMay 19, 20163 votes

Ahri has been a top tier midlane pick for 18 straight months...what are you on about?

YJRBqwXJcSMay 19, 20163 votes

ahri is secretly one of the top 4 mids, hell no.

Buff Jax pleaseMay 19, 20164 votes

Secretly? She has been one of the top 4 mids for almost 2 years....the Ahri fangirls just will never admit she is one of the best midlaners in the game.

YJRBqwXJcSMay 19, 20163 votes

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Secretly? She has been one of the top 4 mids for almost 2 years....the Ahri fangirls just will never admit she is one of the best midlaners in the game.

finally someone who understands me

McprowlingtonMay 19, 20163 votes

Ahri is stupidly powerful and brain-dead safe. i'd be hoping they don't nerf her, rather then asking for a buff

MiraweaveMay 19, 20163 votes

+1 buff Ahri, she doesn't have a 100% winrate yet.

EmbertineMay 19, 20162 votes

Shyvana just got buffed this patch actually.

RaxistaichoMay 19, 20161 votes

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Shyvana just got buffed this patch actually.

Oh sure, because AP Shyvana is a thing :^)

WenderwallMay 19, 20161 votes

I'm new to LoL, is **0.025 **AP scaling is called as buff!.

Linna ExcelMay 19, 20162 votes

Shyvana might need a little buff.

blfUvZ8YbuMay 19, 20162 votes

NERF AHRI

53% WIN RATE AND BRAIN-DEAD SAFE.

WenderwallMay 19, 20162 votes

yes she needs to be buffered. Her Q should change to 80%AP and remove that true damage.

KeevalroyMay 19, 20161 votes

Ahri doesn't need nerfed or buffed, she needs changed.

Get rid of the stupid movespeed buff on her Q that was slapped onto the kit for no reason, and give the charm amp back. She's a mindless spammer now which is a problem, and now has unnecessary mobility which is a bigger problem; this will fix both issues while returning a factor of skill involved in playing her.

MiraweaveMay 19, 20161 votes

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Ahri doesn't need nerfed or buffed, she needs changed.

Get rid of the stupid movespeed buff on her Q that was slapped onto the kit for no reason, and give the charm amp back. She's a mindless spammer now which is a problem, and now has unnecessary mobility which is a bigger problem; this will fix both issues while returning a factor of skill involved in playing her.

Nah, the Q ms buff gives her a cool unique playstyle that nobody else has. Charm amp just made her into another generic assassin.

She's fine as she is. She doesn't need any changes.

######except fewer clothes, maybe :^)

KeevalroyMay 19, 20163 votes

Nah, the Q ms buff gives her a cool unique playstyle that nobody else has.

Oh god that triggers me so fucking hard when Riot insists absurd changes that don't make sense, especially when they say they're pushing for thematic gameplay. What's so strange is how often they decide "fuck it shove that passive into the kit, why not lol?"

Examples of positive thematic properties:

Graves has a shotgun now? He always did, but now it's a real one from the update. Rek has restricted vision burrowed and can sense movement. Gragas has a body slam that actually looks like a body slam now. Ahri sends out a charm that amplifies damage - being a succubus luring people into a false sense of security, she takes advantage of weakness and temporarily bypasses what defenses they should normally have. Succubus + kiss of death = matching theme.

Negatives:

Kalista jumps after every auto attack...why? Lee Sin is blind, yet remains one of the fastest champions in the game just from movespeed, and can also fly across the map with his Q and ward hopping - because that makes sense. Fiora's new ult now heals after completion. Why? Why not? "Fuck it!" Have a heal! Ahri tosses an orb out, and then gets extra movespeed. Why? Because it's unique? What kind of lazy ass excuse is that?

MiraweaveMay 19, 20161 votes

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Oh god that triggers me so fucking hard when Riot insists absurd changes that don't make sense, especially when they say they're pushing for thematic gameplay. What's so strange is how often they decide "fuck it shove that passive into the kit, why not lol?"

Examples of positive thematic properties:

Graves has a shotgun now? He always did, but now it's a real one from the update. Rek has restricted vision burrowed and can sense movement. Gragas has a body slam that actually looks like a body slam now. Ahri sends out a charm that amplifies damage - being a succubus luring people into a false sense of security, she takes advantage of weakness and temporarily bypasses what defenses they should normally have. Succubus + kiss of death = matching theme.

Negatives:

Kalista jumps after every auto attack...why? Lee Sin is blind, yet remains one of the fastest champions in the game just from movespeed, and can also fly across the map with his Q and ward hopping - because that makes sense. Fiora's new ult now heals after completion. Why? Why not? "Fuck it!" Have a heal! Ahri tosses an orb out, and then gets extra movespeed. Why? Because it's unique? What kind of lazy ass excuse is that?

Because it fits her kite based playstyle. The damage amp on charm wasn't even in her kit initially, it was added when riot nerfed the bases on her W and R to make her more reliant on landing the skillshot during season 3.

She's not intended to be a normal assassin, and her Q is part of that.

Jun LongJul 28, 20161 votes

Does anything in LoL make realistic sense? I mean Soraka is a unicorn...

KeevalroyJul 28, 20162 votes

I'm talking about thematic gameplay that they claim to want to move toward, yet ignore what's in front of them so they can change what's fine out of what seems like sheer boredom.

Using the Soraka example is like saying Malphite is a talking rock so it's fine if nothing makes sense. Okay, so follow me here: this is a fantasy game with fantasy characters. We good for now? In a fantasy game, it's normal that the characters don't resemble realism. Going back to Ahri, this is a fox-girl with 9 tails...because this is a fantasy game, then that part is fine.

What isn't fine is when the developers claim to want more realistic, or to put it better, predictable expectations, and make changes or additions to the game which don't reflect a predictable idea of what the character should or could do. When Gragas used to E someone, it was just damage, which didn't reflect what you would expect. Now when he E's, it's a real body slam, and the impact of a mass that big moving that fast, would undoubtedly make you stumble - which it does. That was an A+ modification to the kit.

Taking away a succubus' "kiss of death" mechanic only to replace it with a random rapidly decaying movement speed buff whenever her orb is thrown is nothing short of idiotic, because the change makes no logical sense in terms of theme, or gameplay. The only conclusion I could draw from this back in season 4 was they wanted her to appear flashier and more fun to watch for spectators as she zips around the lane. It's a conclusion I'm sure they wouldn't admit to, but it's the only one that seems likely, especially with tournaments coming up, since Riot does love their precious spectator sport.