[{quoted}](name=Fear the Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Z0WpqW11,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-17T19:57:57.504+0000)
He still won't be meta in solo queue any time soon probably. His ult is his main sticking point for competitive teams that can actively play with it but for solo queue shyv does the same thing but isn't as team reliant.
You're right with the ulti: after all, it's the really unique thing he brings between all the tanks used in competitive. that, and the ability to chain cc. i'd add the fact that the spires allow for a strong early in the jungle, like storng clears, mana sustain, faster roaming through the map.
in solo queue he's harder to pull off, because as you said, by building him tank, you need the team to followup with their damage...and good luck with that below plat =p
i'm less sure about shyv. she got less lockdown, and i think she's less tankier. also is she that dependant on getting dragons? but in the end, they both bring different things into the game, so it's hard for me to make a diefinite judgement
