Black Cleaver getting reworked

captainkaiger··1 votes·548 views

So, I checked some PBE updates, skins getting put in that look cool and interesting, new (old) mechanic getting put into ARAM/loading screen update, then into item changes I saw what they're doing to black cleaver, making it an upgraded phage, removing the armor pen/shred and upping the health some.

My thought on that is, please don't. I do think that the phage should upgrade into something and keep a similar/upgraded effect, but to get rid of a key item for shredding armor just seems plain wrong unless there is a replacement item in the works. Because otherwise if you're playing a tankbuster type champ, building a Youmuu's is gonna look pretty silly, especially on champs like Vi, Renekton, Garen, etc. It can work, but the extra ms/as is pretty wasted especially on Renekton who's a spell-casting (kinda) bruiser.

Whoever's on the item changes, I want to agree with what you're doing but please keep Black Cleaver as it is, and add a new item in for the Phage upgrade.

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Voluug131 votes

I have seen Rivens and Zeds build Youmuu's. It has reached BotRK levels of abuse, and its annoying.

This BC reworks looks like a ''lets stealth buff Riven!'' kind of move.

Sire Hippington1 votes

so by educeing the ad and removeing the brut earlygame spike and the flat pen, you buff it for riven??? current BC is alot better for Assasins and damage focused champs, the new one will be better for bruisers, but offers less damage for assasins.

Variks the Loyal1 votes

I like the new Cleaver. It will still be a tank busting item. The passive shred is having it's duration buffed and another stack added onto it (30% penetration over 25).

And the Phage passive will be useful on AD casters like Renekton, because they weave their autos between spells, which will allow them to keep up with someone who runs away.

captainkaiger1 votes

So you are right, when last I had looked it made no mention of the armor-shredding stack, which is what I cared about. I still stand by my decision to have Phage build into something else though, since BC is a well established item.

LilxPaprika1 votes

I do think another brutalizer item should follow up in the wake of the new cleaver, preferably something with flat armor pen, maybe have an active or work like wits end but with spells and autos.

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