Tristana Rocket Jump

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The buffer is not something unique to rocket jump, it's the same thing that lets ezreal blink through cc effects and applies to most abilities, but it's more obvious with rocket jump because of the longer wind up and travel time/distance. The reason it exists is to allow for spells to interact consistently when players have different latency, ensuring that two players using an ability at the same time (for example, two rivens attempt to use w on each other) results in both spells going off. Without it, whoever has the lower latency has the potential to use an ability when the other player can't. On live, with the two rivens they will both stun each other, without latency compensation one of their stuns will not activate, that of the player with the higher latency. In extreme cases, lets say a high latency annie and a low latency riven, the annie could cast her q to stun, riven then casts her own stun, and because of the difference in latency and cast time riven get's her stun off while annie does not.

you literally copied a rioters post from reddit XD

That doesn't seem right. I've only seen Ez and Trist do this. Otherwise, this would be widely known to affect every type of dash/blink ability and we know that it isn't the case at all. So something else must be at work here. CC is supposed to stop your movement so buffering your dash at the time you get hit by it shouldn't overwrite it with your action.

Especially when abilities that flat out stop you from moving exist, like Ashe's arrow that freezes you in your tracks and Veigar's wall stun that literally stops you from doing anything if you cross it.

I'd argue that the startup should be interruptible by displacements. Tristana using her jump to become immune to things like Grag ult where she visually gets displaced by the R then still jumps to the exact same end point anyway is utter bullshit.

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We could certainly nerf Trist jump to be interrupted by CC but that would likely make the spell feel pretty awful to use, the vast majority of dashes in our game cannot be canceled in that way and I'm not sure Trist's W should be uniquely bad in that regard considering it has a .5 second cast time. We could lower the cast time (or remove it completely), but that would likely make her mobility overall STRONGER.

Copy pasting my response to a recent reddit thread on the subject of Trist and buffering below:

Another question we could ask, in a hypothetical world where Trist feels oppressive, is: What should be true about the rest of Trist's kit given she has such a powerful W.

Nerf crit and tristana wouldn't be a problem. She was completely balanced before midseason crit changes and ardent. Her kit is normal, it was even not so good before midseason. Tristana is not the problem, its itemization.

Hi there!

I dunno if this will be read but here I go again...

First point: I hope you guys realize that Tristana's current state is more a result of the buff to Enchaters, Ardent Censer, and the current state of Critical Strike items and not her kit, as the kit she had prior to her most recent nerf hadn't been touched for months, except for the small 2 second increase in the duration of her Q. I don't hope for people at the Boards to understand this, or to remember how bad Trist was for a while, but I hope you guys realize that Trist didn't get better, it was just the game that changed around her and made her feel stronger.

Second: I've said it for a long time and have quoted Professional Players such as DoubleLift, Sneaky, Rekkles or Forg1ven who understand this champion in and out to reflect what Tristana's identity is and has always been: The best late game self peeling hypercarry I bring that up because last year and before he left Riot, Scarizard commented on Trist during a Live Q & A on Twitch, where he said you guys didn't know what to do with her, and from further posts from Meddler, I got the impression you forgot Trist's identity.

Continuing from the previous point, the one skill I don't see how it fits her kit, is her ability to put bombs on towers and tear them down. Thematically, it makes no sense. She's "The Bandle Gunner", not "The Bandle Demolitionist" or "The Bandle Bomber". From a design standpoint, is the only thing on her kit that has no synergy with anything else. it used to reduce the cooldowns on Q and the charge itself, but that's long gone and I don't really mind. But we have a kit built around late game scaling, with her resets, the range from her passive, the disengage from her ult, and the mobility of her Rocket Jump. Where does "Bomb into towers" fit into any of that? It has always felt incredibly gimmicky, and with the towers being so paper thin right now, of course her push power is gonna feel over bearing. I seriously wouldn't mind in the slightest if that interaction was removed entirely from her kit, and I believe that would bring her quite down without harming the core of her identity.

Ask any Pro currently playing her, and I'm completely sure that they'll say that they don't pick her because "Oh yeah, we take her to demolish towers" but as everyone knows, she's picked for her scaling and late game team fighting strengths.

Going back to my first point: Tristana is a champion that used to spike around 30 - 35 minutes, when she finally had 3 items that would normally be an IE and two Zeal items, or an IE, a Zeal item and a LW item. The issue right now is that she's spiking at 20 - 25 mins because how accessible and effective Critical Strike items are, and this is the reason why she feels too strong sometimes. She shouldn't be spiking so early, that's not how a late game hyper carry should work. I do not want Trist to be strong in lane or in the early game, I wanna farm and then be ready to fight when I get my third item. Then early game champions get a window to take advantage of.

I feel (I could be wrong...) that this is a direct result of you guys attempting to speed up the game more and more every time. Early-Mid Game ADCs become irrelevant, because the game now scales so fast, that why would anyone pick an Early-Mid Game ADC? Hyper carries can reach better results at roughly the same time and be better if the game takes longer.

I conclude my post asking you to please do not forget what Trist's identity is and the reason why some of us enjoy playing her so much. As I told other people, the Jump buffer is a way to express our knowledge/mastery of whatever champion that can do that, and it's not as if the skill didn't have counter play. Used defensively (usually the use of the buffer) leaves the skill on a 14 second cool down, which often equates to a jumpless Tristana for an upcoming fight. Burning her jump often leaves enough time for a team to siege a tower, engage a fight where Trist can't jump away, or focus a Drake/Baron and turn to fight with the ADC having no escape. It's on the Trist player to know when to better use her jump.

In the end, the game is yours and you'll do as you see fit, but this is a champion I highly care for and desire to be treated fairly, even if so many people hate her right now. She wasn't touched for over a year (2016), and for a long time was at the bottom of the ADC tier list, but it seems people don't remember that right now.

Thanks for your time, if you read this. Cheers!

In a world where Trist feels oppressive, she has several problems:

• You have a hard time catching her, thanks to Rocket Jump, Flash, and her disengage Ult.
• You can have a very hard time getting away from her in a team fight, as every kill or assist helps her close the gap.
• She has the ability to completely wreck towers, thanks to her sticky bomb and attack speed boost.

Rolling that all together, you've got a champion with lots of safety when things go bad, lots of chase when things go good, and is a tower shredder.

I'd say pick which you want to keep: the Yordle Gunner who wants to jump all over all the fight, or the Yordle Gunner who melts towers. Melting towers lines up better with how I think of Tristana, but it's probably too weak an identity in the Marksman role (which as a whole kills towers fast). That leaves replacing her sticky bomb with something else, probably something that can only be used when moving towards a fight, and possibly modifying her ultimate so it's less safety based.

remove the slow off of her w. hidden power and it's completely unneeded

We could certainly nerf Trist jump to be interrupted by CC but that would likely make the spell feel pretty awful to use, the vast majority of dashes in our game cannot be canceled in that way and I'm not sure Trist's W should be uniquely bad in that regard considering it has a .5 second cast time. We could lower the cast time (or remove it completely), but that would likely make her mobility overall STRONGER.

Then why is Aatrox's dash literally just like Tristana's but doesn't buffer CC?

ww can't be cced while he jumps that's an inherent mecanic.

Ez can be cced, but the cc will be applied after.

Kha E doesn't have a cast time, so he can't buffer CC like those other champs. You can hit him in the air though, but he's not unstoppable.

TL;DR Kha cannot negate a blitz hook

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ok lets nerf everyone who does this.