Am i the only one who thinks the fizz rework was a total faliure?

normie sIayer·1/28/2017, 5:31:25 PM·89 votes·5,227 views

i mean his problems before rework that everyone wanted fixed were

e is super annoying
abuses lichbane with q w really hard
getting hit by his fish basically meant you were totally fucked

and what did they do to help with these in the rework?

abuses lichbane with q w even harder, but its ok you have to wait like 1.5s
e is still super fucking annoying
getting hit by his fish still means youre totally fucked but now its longer, bigger, and has the shittiest hitbox since season 2 blitz hook

not to mention the "extended burst window" with his w doesnt even matter because the shark applies it and by the time he sharks you and gets to you its already able to be proc'd thx rito xd

75 Comments

Troy2426211/28/2017, 5:50:06 PM36 votes

Barring a couple exceptions, the entire assassin patch was a failure.

venomous frost1/28/2017, 5:44:12 PM29 votes

I would judge the rework, but i haven't seen a fizz since

five oh tree 1/28/2017, 5:59:29 PM27 votes

They got rid of his q/r combo that removed the skillshot part of his ult.
They removed him just aa'ing you to death and killing you with 500 DOT from his w.
They made his burst telegraphed so you have time to shield/heal/whatever.

His rework was a success, you're just focusing on the individual parts you don't like. He can't abuse lichbane anymore at all. His dash to you won't have his w active on it, so it really won't hit that hard, so it gives you time to do something before his real burst comes.

His problems before the rework were that he could just sit there and auto you to death if he missed his fish. He cannot do that now. He's a much healthier assassin.

I don't understand how his rework was a "failure" when it succeeded in giving players time to react, which was the whole point of the assassin update.

Sire Hippington1/28/2017, 6:57:13 PM13 votes

Yea, fizz is a total failure. He's even more annoying to play against, and atleast fot me way less fun to play. Turning his W from a dps tool that rewarded you for staying in close combat into another burst tool made him much more binary and took away a lot from his feel. Befor, he was more like a skirmisher with imo simply to much burst potential if ahead. But if not ahead, he had to use his slipperyness to stick to targets while staying alive to take them down with W. No longer haveing that old W for extendet trades if you can't burst your target feels shit. At the same time, non of his opressive issues were fixed, as his burst is even bigger than befor.

Really, who on earth thinks that changeing the dps tool into a burst tool is what you should do when you want to increase burst windows?

HongChongDong1/28/2017, 8:51:05 PM7 votes

So the title states facts, fizz was ruined by the rework. Unfortunately the contents are opposite of what the rework actually did.

They still didn't give him an actual passive.
They removed his identity and made him generic and linear.
They made him only viable when he lands his ult at medium range or higher.
They gave him that shitty W that in terms of power, is no stronger than an average mage spell, if not weaker.
Numbers wise he's weaker in overall damage.
And what #3 and #5 mean is that if you don't kill the person in your combo then there's not a single thing you can do. You can't escape, you can't finish them, you're screwed.

It's actually sad that people can still complain about assassins when the majority of them got boned in the update, leaving them far weaker than other champions classes and in most cases, pointless to play.

ChaddyFantome1/28/2017, 5:32:54 PM6 votes

No. the only thing wrong with the FIzz Rework was the stupid hitbox on his ulti.

RavenMagus1/28/2017, 11:20:30 PM6 votes

I agree that Fizz rework was a failure, but the reasons you state are simply all wrong.

There is nothing wrong with his e, sure it can be annoying to play against but it's like any spell that provides untargetability, it's nothing that needs fixing
He abuses lichbane a lot less hard than before, of course he still uses it but having to wait 1.5 seconds is actually a pretty big deal
Almost all of his power is in his ult now, which is practically impossible to avoid with its super cancerous hitbox, but without a max range ult Fizz can't even do anything
He is now super binary - he either hits max range ult and auto-wins, or misses it and auto-loses.

Sincarnation1/29/2017, 9:15:39 AM5 votes

Fizz feels awful to play now, entirely ruined by that W change. I hate that his DoT is basically nonexistent, and waiting to proc W is fucking lame. This is FIZZ. The slippery trickster who smoothly slides in and out of fights killing his targets, and laughing in the faces of the uncoordinated masses. He is not fucking Camille who waits around for the perfect time to strike with precision

Assassin update was a mixed bag, some were really successful (Kat) Some were healthier just needed some numbers tuning (Rengar, LB) Others were fucking heavy handed nerfs disguised as a rework (Fizz and Ekko)

rtbf761092711/29/2017, 1:02:58 AM3 votes

I like how threads saying the rework was a failure always have this tone where he got stronger and they are upset over that. He is MUCH weaker. Both his playrate and win rate fell. Which means some fizz mains quit him (myself included) and those which remained are doing worse too.

Everyone hates him so when you talk about his real issues you get downvoted and when you say "omg ult so much bigger hotbox broken op op" you get a top rated thread. But he is objectively weaker and has even more design issues than before. The only thing they made healthier was the removal of the % missing hp from this w and the instant thunderlords proc from w q (w flat + w DOT + q = 3 hits)

So yes his rework was a failure. They didn't make him healthier but also made him uselessly weak too. Gutted my fish...... rip

Supreme Senpai691/29/2017, 12:30:15 PM3 votes

To be fair if I'm gonna be fucked either way, I guess I might as well be fucked correctly. Give me the longer, harder route.

Papa Slothy1/29/2017, 1:04:56 AM2 votes

he's way easier to beat now

Void the memer1/29/2017, 4:08:19 AM2 votes

I don't feel as if it even was a rework, but rather an enormous buff. Fizz still feels like fizz only he is better and more obnoxious

Twitch Chat1/29/2017, 4:15:06 AM2 votes

Things that needed to be fixed:

Fizz with lich bane one shotting squishies with Q and W active
The effectiveness of point blank shark

Both got fixed. A fish snipe should be a death sentence. Why shouldn't it?

TheOvermind2/1/2017, 5:08:12 PM1 votes

Rengar was also a failure and so was Leblanc.

can't wait for the reverts

invisiblecat11/28/2017, 11:24:36 PM1 votes

Katarina, Rengar, and LeBlanc were failures Fizz and Shaco are only semi-failures Although now he does have to wait to deal more damage, his E still does the same amount of damage so a R Q E can still kill