Idea for Karma

I hate my ADC·Feb 13, 2016·4 votes·330 views

Make her passive also work on neutral monsters.

This would allow Karma to be a jungler. Especialy considering how Runic Echoes synergize extremely well with her.

Just a thought

8 Comments

AsphodelNextFeb 13, 20162 votes

Might be abusable for mid lane. You fire a random Q over the wall to raptors and get 8-12 seconds off your ult timer. Early game it probably wouldn't be worth the mana, but mid-late game it could get really bad where Karma has her ult up like every 3rd Q.

You could probably do it if you restrict it to the big creep though. Lot less powerful, but it's still a buff that would help out jungle Karma a lot, considering how much you spam W on the big monster and how much you AA.

OverpoweredSoapFeb 13, 20161 votes

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Might be abusable for mid lane. You fire a random Q over the wall to raptors and get 8-12 seconds off your ult timer. Early game it probably wouldn't be worth the mana, but mid-late game it could get really bad where Karma has her ult up like every 3rd Q.

You could probably do it if you restrict it to the big creep though. Lot less powerful, but it's still a buff that would help out jungle Karma a lot, considering how much you spam W on the big monster and how much you AA.

If her passive becomes a problem with jungle monsters, it could only give like half the cooldown she gets when she hits a champion.

Karma honestly doesn't have that much of a problem getting her ult back up when fighting the enemy laner anyways. (Depends on the enemy she's fighting though.)

KarbuncleFeb 13, 20161 votes

I thought everyone agreed the passive working on monsters should only happen with her W

My Sea CowFeb 13, 20161 votes

I've seen Nightblue3 play her jungle a couple times...honestly any champion can jungle...but should they? Probably not. People used to jungle with Alistar...I've seen some jungle with Braum or Blitzcrank or even Morgana. Anything is possible and can work out especially if the opponent underestimates them but won't necessarily work as well as champions that were intended to be junglers

I hate my ADCFeb 13, 20161 votes

Alistar jungle was really good tho.

Problem with Karma is that she has no actual ultimate and the power flip at level 6 is poop compared to other champions with real ultimates. Mantra can give her early boost to ease up on the rough starting jungle part (like spiders for elise and cat form for nid) and runic echoes make her clear the jungle extremely fast.

She wasn't meant to be a jungler, but honestly? With her kit, she's not meant for any role. The lack of an ultimate leave her only as a poke champ and nothing more. We see the heroes with no actual ults thrive better in the jungle (udyr, nid, elise). So why not Karma too?

My Sea CowFeb 13, 20161 votes

I'm not saying she can't be jungler I'm just saying that there will still be so many that out class her that I just think she will get bullied out of her own jungle and if someone counters her, she wont be able to dish out enoigh damage to survive or be tanky enoigh to get away or until team members show up. Can it work? Definitely...I just don't see her having as good of an impact on the game like the ones you mentioned.

Udyr has a lot of damage and his auto attacks can stun, and lots of ways to speed up. Nidalee is an assassin and puts out a lot of damage plus has a good gap closer if she hits a spear or someone steps on a trap. Plus a heal which is nice for jungle clearing. Elise has up to 4 little spiders attacking with her so her damage is huge. Plus a long stun and a gap closer.

Karma has her one damage spell that can do AoE damage and slow if mantra is used. She has a shield and speed up but not the greatest gap closer as Nidalee and definitely not as fast as uydr who can just change forms every couple seconds to never get caught. Her tether can be a good stun but once the tether connects it's easy for the person to escape before the stun especially if they have any type of dash. She would just be outclassed in my opinion. In a protect the carry type comp then it may work decent come team fighting. She'd be just as good of jungler as Lulu.

I love Karma. But I just can't see myself taking her jungle. I wouldn't be able to get it to work...but I also can't get a hang of Nidalee jungle.

I hate my ADCFeb 13, 20161 votes

I've tried her jungle and once I get Runic Echoes, I'm just decimating my jungle and the potential for gank is there because of how even if the enemy saw you coming, if the mantra Q connect, it still hurt enough that you give the lane you gank an advantage over the enemy. If you gank once the enemy engage, they don't have any dash or escape to get out of your tether without burning a flash and the speed from E should be used once you connected the W rather than to get in range to use W.

My main issue come from early jungling which is way too slow due to the lack of damage and sustain. Having a reliable Mantra ready more often would allow for self heal with W and more constant damage with Q.

As for being bullied out of jungle, I can't say for sure, Karma is hard to bully in lane so long as she keep the distance between her and the enemy, in jungle, she may have to back up a little if she get invaded, but her Qs will force the enemy off in the end. At least that's what I figured for the few times I jungled with her.

SilverSquidFeb 14, 20161 votes

It would be cool to have a support-mage coming from the jungle, next to all the assasins we have. I don't think Karma fits this thematically tho, and if Riot goes fully supporting THAT role over her mid/bot role, some people might be pissed. And it's not like the Karma community needs another split.