Ap Xin Zhao has been slain by Riot Games

Feels Veigar Man·Feb 25, 2016·19 votes·2,662 views

I am fine with the attack speed decrease, but not the AP ratio Decrease when instead of killing a whole build on Xin Zhao, using AP items like nashors and deathcap to heal, you can nerf the item guinsoos and sated a bit? Champion builds dont need to die out when they gain power, because the items are what give a champion power.

Without guinsoos, the AP Xin Zhao was in a fine stat, with high sustain and good assassination, but laking in teamfight, so decrease the power of guinsoo so with he still cant teamfight as well, no killing the AP ratio so he can't do ANYTHING now.

This was one of the only off-meta builds that still really worked, but there goes another thing that has been taken away. Next patch, bring back my boy AP Xin, just a bit stronger than he is now, because unlike other out of the meta builds, this one shouldn't die.

18 Comments

FriusFeb 26, 20166 votes

no ,ap xin is retarded, no one should overheal on turrets and heal every 2 attacks infinite ammounts. still 70% ap on E

stupid ap xin .

La BarbotteFeb 26, 20163 votes

they gave the heal an AD scaling, he was healing too much, they shit on the AP scaling LOL how about realising you fucked up and removing the AD scaling

5050BSFeb 26, 20163 votes

item 3124 Needs Nerfs plan and simple Every champ that builds it is a beast to deal with no mater.

CrimsonCobra3Feb 26, 20161 votes

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Needs Nerfs plan and simple Every champ that builds it is a beast to deal with no mater.

Agreed. Ever try it on Teemo?

Meep ManFeb 26, 20162 votes

Teemo item 3124 item 3115 item 3091 item 3085 item 3931 item 3089

YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!

SaltyKrackaFeb 26, 20163 votes

Good riddance.

Darkslayer85Feb 25, 20162 votes

It wasn't a complete nerf, all they did was take off a bit of his power on his first gank and a bit of his mid-game.

Before the buff to 70%, the ratio was 50%. Now it's 40%, but with a 20% AD scaling. This is worth much more than the missing 10% AP due to actually granting power on AAs. His W will now CRIT as well, so comboed with Three Talon Strike, he will knockup, crit, and heal. He can still solo towers and Baron as well, but he will need a full/almost full build instead of the item 3124 item 3931 item 3115 . Still viable. Just learn to adapt.

Trading AcesFeb 26, 20163 votes

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It wasn't a complete nerf, all they did was take off a bit of his power on his first gank and a bit of his mid-game.

It's a nerf to his mid and late game - cause he has no ap early on.

Before the buff to 70%, the ratio was 50%. Now it's 40%, but with a 20% AD scaling. This is worth much more than the missing 10% AP due to actually granting power on AAs.

It was 70% AP Scaling before it was 50%. It has been 70% for almost all of the ability's existence. So, NO, it isn't 10% AP, it's 30% and it's a completely different build. Dive further into patch notes.

Darkslayer85Feb 26, 20161 votes

Let me get this straight. You think a 70% AP ratio that lets him solo like anything/anyone without hard CC is good?

Trading AcesFeb 26, 20161 votes

You can use that argument (you could also not stuff words into other people's mouths), but it's hollow considering that Master Yi and virtually any other melee adc does the the same thing to varying degrees. Prior to the sudden tacked on AD ratio - I cannot remember a single thread before the implementation saying that it was a good design/balance choice - there was no issue with his 70% AP ratio. I'd rather they just remove the ad ratio. The idea is already used on Aatrox's kit.

KoggyStyleFeb 26, 20161 votes

cough warwick cough

CrimsonCobra3Feb 26, 20161 votes

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It wasn't a complete nerf, all they did was take off a bit of his power on his first gank and a bit of his mid-game.

Before the buff to 70%, the ratio was 50%. Now it's 40%, but with a 20% AD scaling. This is worth much more than the missing 10% AP due to actually granting power on AAs. His W will now CRIT as well, so comboed with Three Strike, he will knockup, crit, and heal. He can still solo towers and Baron as well, but he will need a full/almost full build instead of the . Still viable. Just learn to adapt.

Yes, it's just upsetting that Riot ignored the actual reason for Xin Zhao's power and decided nerfing one of the more favored aspects of Xin Zhao was appropriate when it does [very little] to make him less OP. It's just frustrating. I personally would love an AP Tank Xin Zhao option. (When I first started playing Xin Zhao I decided he was a tank, and since then realized he could deal damage. But my original misconception still persists and I always want to build Xin Zhao tankier.)

Photos of GhostsFeb 25, 20161 votes

Agreed.

First they gave AD scaling to his healing, and strong healing was for AP Xin, not AD Xin. You used to build AP if your objective was healing up.

And then they nerf the AP scaling.

So now AP Xin is still as garbage as before for dealing damage, but it's outclassed in its own job by regular/rageblade xin.

MalhammersFeb 25, 20161 votes

Xin was alive and well for 3 weeks and now back to the depths where he belongs.

No flash no lifeFeb 25, 20161 votes

Unfortunately I doubt that'll happen, and xin is just going to suffer more and more cuz that E luck. He's gotta get rid of that weapon before anything good happens to him.

Sightless66Feb 26, 20161 votes

you can nerf the item guinsoos and sated a bit?

Nerfing two items because Xin is doing too well with them isn't a very elegant solution to the problem. That introduces way more issues than nerfing Xin's AP ratio.

MarkhorFeb 26, 20161 votes

It's not uncommon to nerf an item based on one champion's strength with it, and not uncommon to nerf one or so champions for a single item's strength..

CrimsonCobra3Feb 26, 20161 votes

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Nerfing two items because Xin is doing too well with them isn't a very elegant solution to the problem. That introduces way more issues than nerfing Xin's AP ratio.

Xin, Yi, Jax, Udyr, Kog'maw. Some others. (Kog'maw doesn't build Devourer's but he does build Guinsoo's.) Every one of them is OP with the items. Xin Zhao's hasn't even been the worst. (Until maybe a patch or two ago.) Yi and Udyr were the monsters, Kog'maw and Jax were both OP.

The question isn't about nerfing two items because of Xin, the question is 'why are so many champions strong with these items?' The answer is that all of those champions have some AP scaling, Attack Speed steroids and attack speed reliant facets, on-hit stats, and Guinsoo's is relatively cheap.