Dear Supports

EROTIC RAID BOSS··10 votes·1,714 views

Since every day we seem to get a message from supports that think they're somehow above being garbage

-Do not take heal. Or TP or cleanse. Or anything other than exhaust or ignite. -Do not roam if you don't know how to roam. Don't leave your adc in a bad 1v2 where he's forced to give up turret or die -Do not build some troll shit, I understand AP is good on Sona but generally you want a sightstone tier 2 boots and an aegis pretty much every game. -Do not sit back behind the adc doing absolutely nothing. Your job is actually to fight in lane, at least as much as it is the ADC's job. Don't be that sona that just stands behind turret all day. -Do not take CS if you can help it. You have items and masteries that generate you the gold you need. Your teammates don't, that's why they are taking the minions. This goes for the entire game, not just laning phase. Obv I'm not counting relic procs. -Do not kill yourself to clear wards or put me in a bad 1v2 position to clear wards.

In general stop acting like leaving the ADC 1v2 is no big deal, as I've seen a lot of threads claim it's ok to do this or even to leave lane entirely if you don't like how he's playing. This is basically turning your game into a 4v5 sacrificing your ADC's power like that. Everyone understands that when a jungler ganks mid you usually cant farm and fight while 1v2, so I dunno why you think it's different bot lane.

Supports are super important. And when you play ADC they have a huge effect on how well your laning phase and game in general goes out. That makes it all the more frustrating when your support doesn't play well, or worse, is a dick or doesn't know support basics (like, yes, don't take the damn CS). For some reason the circlejerk on the forums has a double standard where everything is basically the ADCs fault or his frustration with a poor innocent support soul is never justified. That isn't true though, and Support players need to take responsibility for their own failures and toxicity too.

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Succubús GF7 votes

First off as someone in the same rank as you, you should heed these words

  • I am going to take what i want and whats good for the team comp, I almost always take heal or exhaust. Heal in soloq a lot because the majority of adcs are selfish. I dont want to die because they "dont want to waste it" So that point is invalid. You sound like a selfish adc anyways -Not going to address -Dont force people to build a certain way. Sightstone yes, people build tier 2 boots like every game so what do you even mean? And not everyone likes aegis -NO, it IS NOT OUR JOB TO FIGHT IN LANE. Especially as a support such as soraka or if you are playing passively because they destroy you early. I am not going to just go in willy nilly. -If you arent in lane or theres a cannon at turret and you wont get it bc you are at base, im going to take it. So..
Shikigami3 votes

As someone much higher rank than you, you should heed these words.

  • No, heal is a poor choice in every scenario if your ADc has it. Sorry. If your support dies out trying to 1v2 the blitz/draven as soraka I wouldn't waste heal either. Exhaust is almost better in every scenario than a double heal.
  • Me either
  • Aegis is incredibly powerful with multiple AP threats. If you don't build it, your jungler should. If your jungler doesn't, you should. It's a good item, and you sacrifice potential to win the game off of that.
  • Depending on your champion, you should. Even then, if you don't help your ADc assert presence in lane he can't farm and you fall behind. Even as Soraka, if you're not punishing the enemy ADc for walking up to yours, you'll stay in low silver forever.
  • That's fine, just try to freeze the wave and not shove it with your abilities.

So..

Succubús GF1 votes

-I have the intention to protect myself when an adc will leave me to die. It isnt like i wouldnt do the same if they were dying.It is impactful. I didnt say it was every time so .. -I dont build it because there usually isnt a need to because of more ad over ap. Maybe i shouldve elaborated. -Passive play is used in every elo tho :o I don't sit there idly, but im not going to engage heavy without jungler prescence because id rather not see "Double kill for the enemy team"

Jo0o1 votes

You realize that multiple heals have aggressively diminishing returns, yes? It's pretty awful for both bot laners to take it.

Succubús GF1 votes

Ive had multiple adcs take ignite over heal. Thanks

Jo0o1 votes

That's obviously a different situation, and one that you didn't mention before.

Heal is, currently, the meta choice for ADCs, and the vast majority of them take it. In those situations, it's bad for the support to take it.

Ok sure but why5 votes

Soraka summoner 7 is good

Shikigami2 votes

No, exhaust is better in every way. Here are professional players who also agree: http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Soraka

BonboriChan1 votes

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No, exhaust is better in every way. Here are professional players who also agree: http://www.probuilds.net/champions/details/Soraka

I've used both in a game to be honest.. worked pretty well.

EROTIC RAID BOSS3 votes

no it isn't lol

exhaust is more likely to save you vs an adc as well as more likely to get your team a kill in lane, and 2 heals in lane doesn't make a lot of sense since one causes a debuff making the other weak.

WestwardZephyr5 votes

He means soraka taking heal, and adc taking exhaust. Raka takes windspeakers, and often item 3114 , which synergizes with heal, and then the adc has exhaust, which is generally better for a 1v1 duel. It's honestly probably better than raka exhaust, adc heal.

Ok sure but why5 votes

since the adc actually knows whom to exhaust, and you know, item 3504 item 3222 item 3114

D3M4L1S1 votes

I used soraka, earlier today we were in a match where the other team dominated us so bad. Lost all lane turrets mid turret, and inhib. Ememy team had every turret up. We took down dragon and baron did a mid run, and won the game. I will allways take heal, and never be pro I don't mind. I healed 51k heals that game.

Shikigami4 votes

There is some really big circlejerk against ADc's and everyone REALLY likes supports for some reason. +1

SomeLink4 votes

-Do not take heal. Or TP or cleanse. Or anything other than exhaust or ignite.

For some reason, not a fan of taking ignite on a support. Exhaust, well I typically run exhaust. It would be nice to see more diversity in summs, but that would require rebalancing and new summs.

-Do not roam if you don't know how to roam. Don't leave your adc in a bad 1v2 where he's forced to give up turret or die

Well. Pretty sure that is obvious. On the counter point, an adc needs to know when to back off if they don't have coverage in the form of support/jungle. Farming under tower vs most non-displacement supports should be relatively safe.

-Do not build some troll shit, I understand AP is good on Sona but generally you want a sightstone tier 2 boots and an aegis pretty much every game.

Sightstone is pretty much the only thing I will ever require myself to build. Typically 2nd item. (Since I play mostly morgana, spell thiefs => Frostfang + pink (and maybe ruby), next back sightstone and boots if possible. If I am going Sona, I am going Sona because I noticed my team LACKED ap damage. That is one of the reasons you take Sona. So a 2nd/3rd buy lichbane is beneficial. Picking supports is about team cohesion just as much as any other role.

-Do not sit back behind the adc doing absolutely nothing. Your job is actually to fight in lane, at least as much as it is the ADC's job. Don't be that sona that just stands behind turret all day.

That depends on play style. You could easily be taking a sustain support, or a disruption support instead of a poke or damage support. Sure, if I am leona I will want to be jumping into as many advantageous fights as possible. If I am nami, janna, soraka I might want to be healing and letting my adc out farm the enemy, because we might be at an early disadvantage.

-Do not take CS if you can help it. You have items and masteries that generate you the gold you need. Your teammates don't, that's why they are taking the minions. This goes for the entire game, not just laning phase. Obv I'm not counting relic procs.

If I am defending tower first blood, I'm taking CS. if I am shoving the minion wave into their tower because everyone has backed aside from me, and I will back as soon as I'm done, I'm taking CS. Basically, you aren't in lane? I'm taking it. If you are coming into lane and I can tell you will get there before it shoves into our tower? I will kill the ones that would have died without you there. I may even tank the wave to save it from the tower for you. I get there first in the later game? I'm taking it. I understand the flow of minion waves, and what happens if they get shoved in certain directions. I might not always be the best at turning the wave how I want it, but there is intent there.

I think there is 1 mastery that generates 3 gold every time you hit an enemy champion every 8 seconds. Another that generates 1 gold each time a minion dies around you that you didn't last hit. gold/5 runes seems to be in a terrible place. The gold generated is no where near enough for a support to deny themselves CS if they can get it. Sure, I'm not going to take it from you, and I'm not going to set the lane fully pushed if I can help it, but I will take CS if you aren't there.

-Do not kill yourself to clear wards or put me in a bad 1v2 position to clear wards.

One I know I need to work on in lane.

-In general stop acting like leaving the ADC 1v2 is no big deal, as I've seen a lot of threads claim it's ok to do this or even to leave lane entirely if you don't like how he's playing. This is basically turning your game into a 4v5 sacrificing your ADC's power like that. Everyone understands that when a jungler ganks mid you usually cant farm and fight while 1v2, so I dunno why you think it's different bot lane.

The difference is intent. The enemy adc will be wanting to CS mostly, the enemy support may be looking for an opportunity to turn the lane in their favor, but they are looking for an opportunity. A jungler gank is usually because the lane already has that opportunity there. Shoved up, summoners down, no ward coverage, open, low mana, etc. If our play styles aren't matching (say you want to just farm for late game, and I am playing a lock-down style support) i may roam for opportunities because I am more orientated to early game. Especially if the enemy is counterjungling, or mid is looking ripe. If I deem the lane safely ahead, in that you have enough lead to where I don't think you can throw it, I might go support another lane that isn't doing as well. Because if you have a lead, I have a lead as well.

Around999People3 votes

I can agree with most of that as a supp main.

But, the main thing I don't agree with is the build part. Like yes, there are items you need to have for certain roles. But other than sight stone supports should be able to build whatever. If it makes more sense to me to get something an ADC doesn't agree with as Thresh or any other supp I play the ADC needs to trust me and not make a fuss. If I do bad, then sure blame me, but give the support that chance. That's how new builds are found.

Heal on certain supports can be very helpful. I used to run barrier and flash on Vel supp, it let me exchange better against certain comps which ultimately let the team benefit since I as a supp could hold a lane against their bot lane, letting the ADC back in safety or to get a kill somewhere else.

Then cs thing is another thing. Like it makes sense, but there are situations where I need to get CS as a supp. If I go top to shove the lane, don't make an extra effort to come in and get it just so I'd not have it. Honestly, this is very annoying when you're someone Tanky and you need that last 1k gold to be able to lock down their back line but your team didn't let you get it and you can't help in team fights as much now.

Wow, I had more to say than I thought. Still, great post

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

I guess what I'd say is 95% of the time as a support who can't really wave clear well at all, you're better off using your time doing something else. the laners will be able to shove much much faster and move on to something else, and get a lot of gold they need. watching a support pitifully trying to flay or tornado a lane to death is tilting lol, they could be with a teammate making something happen.

That said, I like to buy banner of command on bard, and zzrot late game sometimes. its a nice way to get extra wave control late game and it is a nice source of gold, and if your laners want the minions they can probably outCS the banner minion. I'm sure locket, being cheaper and more useful in teamfights, is better at higher elo most of the time, but I don't entirely trust other players in silver to shove a lane out

Boulderox2 votes

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I guess what I'd say is 95% of the time as a support who can't really wave clear well at all, you're better off using your time doing something else. the laners will be able to shove much much faster and move on to something else, and get a lot of gold they need. watching a support pitifully trying to flay or tornado a lane to death is tilting lol, they could be with a teammate making something happen.

That said, I like to buy banner of command on bard, and zzrot late game sometimes. its a nice way to get extra wave control late game and it is a nice source of gold, and if your laners want the minions they can probably outCS the banner minion. I'm sure locket, being cheaper and more useful in teamfights, is better at higher elo most of the time, but I don't entirely trust other players in silver to shove a lane out

well guess what, free gold is free fucking gold, xp is a perk, and item 2043 aren't free pal, like any adc knows what it is like to buy something that gets destroyed easily. Bard, you can't roam, cus i say so... http://i.imgur.com/g2wKkCL.gif?noredirect

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

I play a lot of bard i'll be extra critical of how bards play lol

Gamer Girl Paige2 votes

if I ever meet you in a game, and you are adc, I'm going urgot support with tele and cleanse and trolling alllllll game.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

Go for it I'll just dodge or report you

Gamer Girl Paige1 votes

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Go for it I'll just dodge or report you

go for it, lose that lp/ I do it all the time.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

3 lp isn't exactly a big deal

WhiperSnapers2 votes

In general stop acting like leaving the ADC 1v2 is no big deal, as I've seen a lot of threads claim it's ok to do this or even to leave lane entirely if you don't like how he's playing. This is basically turning your game into a 4v5 sacrificing your ADC's power like that. Everyone understands that when a jungler ganks mid you usually cant farm and fight while 1v2, so I dunno why you think it's different bot lane.

this argument is about as solid as saying its the junglers job to gank his losing lane instead of the other lanes because they are already winning enough.

EROTIC RAID BOSS2 votes

I don't think its the same at all. Junglers are more likely to snowball a game to victory, by design. And even though at the most basic level its better to help winning lanes, you also don't want to put your adc in a position to fail, or to lose a turret needlessly. It's one thing if the lane is totally over like the enemy draven has 4 kills, its another if you lose one fight and the support peaces out

WhiperSnapers2 votes

I don't think its the same at all. Junglers are more likely to snowball a game to victory, by design.

This is about facts not opinions, and the fact of the matter is that a roaming support can snowball a lane (which was the original subject) or even the game (not sure why this came up or why you think a sup cant do it) just as well as jungler. You have to realize that they're called supports because it's their job to support the team, not just an individual. To think that a supp cant help the other carries on the team because you are doing poorly is pretty selfish. A sup being forced to babysit the ADC because they are doing poorly is basically turning your game into a 4v5 sacrificing your SUP's power to snowball others like that

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

you need to know when to roam, its not worth either if you get nothing for it and the adc loses a bunch of farm as a result. I'll roam a decent amount on bard but I try to make sure I'm not screwing over my adc when I do it

WhiperSnapers1 votes

you need to know when to roam, its not worth either if you get nothing for it and the adc loses a bunch of farm as a result. I'll roam a decent amount on bard but I try to make sure I'm not screwing over my adc when I do it

I'm a support main, I've played enough games to know that there is no such thing as a safe time to roam because even in the safest situations imaginable, you are still rellying on another person to know their own limits, unfortunately stupidity knows no limit. Roaming has a factor of risk to it much like a gank, if it doesnt pan out you suffer somewhere else on the map and often times you wont know if it was worth the risk until its already happened. If an ADC is so reliant on the SUP that a roam is enough to screw them over, then we should start to think of the ADC as a baby and the SUP as the babysitter because without the babysitter, the baby gets into a lot of trouble and its the babysitters fault. Keeping with this simile, I'd like to remind you that the baby doesnt get to decide where it goes. If you arent willing to hand the decision making over to the sup, stop blaming them for everything

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

this is the attitude of a garbage support

WhiperSnapers1 votes

this is the attitude of a garbage support

no, its the attitude of a person who is tired of people refusing to take any responsibility. If your support roams and you lose farm or die because of it, you need to stop and realise that they are just as responsible for what happened as you are. If you aren't willing to take at least partial credit for whatever is lost, you are a garbage player who will never improve. You need to reasses your definition of a garbage support because the last time I checked, "attempting to snowball others" doesnt fall into that category.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

its really simple. if its 1v2, I cant safely walk up to my own wave to farm. so I lose farm.

Taric the Gay2 votes

I would never leave my Ezreal unattended.

http://www.auplod.com/u/ulaopd785ed.png

GuaigaWaruiDesu2 votes

Sounds like you should support, with all your superior knowledge on what not to do.

Shen summoner 3 summoner 4

God King Aatrox1 votes

Taric summoner 14 summoner 4 item 2303 item 3143 item 3047 item 3190 item 3504 item 3025 I always stun when the enemy decides to get out of position. i always shield my adc when they get harassed. i will always max heal first to ensure we stay in lane for as long as we can to get as much cs and pressure in laning phase. Ignite will always stop the enemy adc from killing mine because they dps off ignite ticks and my empowered aa's stuns and my adc's following up will burst his heal to nothing. I always ward when i get Sighstone. I always rush ninja tabi for the movespeed and armor so i can tank and roam when needed. I always only engage when my ignites up because its a guaranteed kill. i peel, i dive, and i die, for my teammates. i will always ult before tower dives or enemy team engages. I do everything i can, i am a true support main. G-gems.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

okay? lol

its not like I have a problem with ignite in general, I always take ignite on bard, barring a game vs an akali or zed or whatever

God King Aatrox1 votes

you complain about squishy sona's leaving the adc to do some dumbshit, or building full ap, i come in saying i pick a tank, build tank, and do what is needed and you throw out "kay lol" intriguing.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

I just don't get what you're trying to say. I have no problem with your build or strategy or whatever. I think most tarics level heal last, and it isn't always good to stay in lane as long as possible, but otherwise its like, you seem like you'd probably be a decent support?

Maximum Morde1 votes

I like TP, Cleanse, and Ignite, and Exhaust, they all have their place.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

I don't see any situation cleanse is better than exhaust since the enemy lanes damage will come mainly from the adc not Morgana or whatever. TP is near useless on supports since 1) most early TP plays are to bot lane 2) supports don't make good split pushers at all 3) you put yourself at a combat disadvantage and unlike top lane you don't need to be able to get back to lane instantly to keep up with the other team in farm

Maximum Morde1 votes

It can be useful to be able to eat a CC, immediately cleanse and turn on them. Something like Morgana vs a heavy CC enemy lane like Ashe/Braum. Shield your ADC and immediately turn on them with your own ult. They usually fall for it once or twice for some easy gold because nobody ever uses cleanse. It's certainly a gimmick pick, like the old Red Pot start, but it can be fun.

Since the nerfs to cast time, I'm not a fan of TP as much anymore, but it used to be amusing.

RogueWill1 votes

Soraka Do not sit back behind the adc doing absolutely nothing. That is the definition of playing soraka.....

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

Soraka is kind of the exception, although she should still punish/zone the enemy team that come up to harass with her Q. I don't want to specifically tell Soraka players how to play Soraka I don't really play her. But in general, if you're looking at everyone's range of attack around them as circles of threat, you want yours and the ADCs to touch the enemy players' together, to hit one person together, and avoid situations where both enemy laners are hitting you with only one of you able to return fire

its also why they say if your support gets engaged on you shouldn't run from the fight you should start attacking the enemy adc.

BonboriChan1 votes

Ill admit... I have to be aggressive as Soraka. Once her Q is available... and E.. I have to get in there to heal myself and the adc. Soraka is fun to play support and I can see how she is called op each round. Its not that she is op.. its just that.. she has to Q to use her W for you. But to avoid a manslaught I like to build her mana and health with a smidge of ap jus encase something goes bad. Fun champ. I like to call her Granny Soraka. Lmao

RogueWill1 votes

I play soraka quite a bit, although I must admit she is not one of my best support since it conflicts with my aggressive playstyle. Soraka is the definition to sit behind your adc and do Jackshit. Unlike most supports she can't decide when to initiate trades since she lacks CC and damage (the silence is situational and is quite not the best way to initiate a trade), spamming your Q without needing to heal your adc or before the buffs it gives wears off it will make you go oom too soon, so usually is not worth to try to"poke" with it. You can't roam much either since you represet such a low kill presure so you only roam is someone else is roaming with you (say jungle or adc) and is the same trying to get deep wards to invide the enemy jungler. So you sit back, spam your quotes and when someone finally decides to get into a trade, you land a Q, heal your ADC and drop your E on the most troublesome of the two enemies, usually cast adcs and if is not a caster adc you drop your E on the support. When the trade is about to finish you land a second Q and heal your adc again so is not left without HP (you also heal as needed in the trade). Honestly if the adc steps out of place to farm the best you can do is to throw a few AA.

BonboriChan1 votes

Lmao... no offense but... only way for a crappy support to get better is to keep playing and learn. If your support is lacking... and there will always be this... give them advice of what they should do. I love supporting.. it is sooo fun to watch my ADC partner pwn... But.. sometimes I make mistakes.. Im learning. You cant get good with pvp by battling bots all the time so you gotta work on normals. Thats where the real lessons begin. So.. to ADCs I say this... Prepare yourself.. communicate with your support before matches. If they say they are still new, take that in mind. No one is the perfect player. If you deem yourself so... Teach. Lend a hand.. encourage.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

what do you do though if your sup refuses to take exhaust over heal. just happened today, I just dodged, cus you already know right there that he's going to be ass and ruin the game for you

BonboriChan1 votes

Be prepared. Ive seen opponent supports be quite greedy if they dont budge in there decision. Like.. I tell my adc everything.. adc is my partner. I want to see him or her succeed

Embertine2 votes

If your support took heal, then you should have swapped out your own heal for ignite to go for kill secure.

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

id rather dodge and not play with someone who is obviously wood 5. not going to secure kills if your support is so bad they think heal is good

Azure Hamster1 votes

If I don't heal my support, it's usually because I forget, not because I don't want to. :(

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