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Build Something AD out of Stinger

Stained Spear··10 votes·1,469 views

We all miss zephyr, just give us an item building out of stinger with 50% AS, 10%cdr, and some armor. Crazy idea here: insanibane: builds out of item 3101+ item 3024 gives 20%cdr, 50%AS, 45 armor costs 1200 + 1000 + 600=2800 2nd idea(most downvoted highly unpopular): destructive justice: builds out of item 3101 + item 1018 gives 30% crit, 50% AS, 10%cdr + 250 mana passive:do 5%more damage to the person who attacked you last costs 1200 + 800 + 600= 2600 MY FAVORITE:the ultimatum: builds out of item 3101 +item 3052 gives 10%cdr, 50%AS, 300 health, and 15(or more)dmg Unique passive(kinda like old maw passive but for physical damage) below certain health gives 15%AS and 20dmg plus a physical damage shield for 10% of your health or scaling with your armor) costs 1200+ 1200+ 400(or more)+200(passive)=3000 New Favourite: Stormflail: builds from item 3101 +item 3077 gives +100% base health regen, + 35dmg, +10%cdr, +50%AS, unique passive cleave, unique active crescent: cleave damage is increased to 50 + Bonus attack speed in a crescent(mix between cone and circle of other 2 hydras) costs 1200 + 1200 + 600=3000

26 Comments

ModAzure Ole3 votes

How about an item with 40% AS, 25 AD, and on hit bonus damage? item 3153

The only thing unique about stinger is that it is the AS/CDR item. AD champs that build both of these stats usually get them from somewhere else. Lucian, for instance, goes ER and picks up CDR from other AS/crit items, like RFC.

The thing that made zephyr so good imo was tenacity/movespeed. With how much movespeed has been a problem this season, I really don't want to see that come back

edit: downvoted because OP took feedback well THANKS GUISE

Stained Spear1 votes

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How about an item with 40% AS, 25 AD, and on hit bonus damage? item 3153

The only thing unique about stinger is that it is the AS/CDR item. AD champs that build both of these stats usually get them from somewhere else. Lucian, for instance, goes ER and picks up CDR from other AS/crit items, like RFC.

The thing that made zephyr so good imo was tenacity/movespeed. With how much movespeed has been a problem this season, I really don't want to see that come back

bad idea on the onhit damage i understand, i changed it to reflect a more realistic item

Irelia Bot3 votes

At this point adding Dervish Blade to Summoners Rift might not be that bad of an option.

Stained Spear1 votes

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At this point adding Dervish Blade to Summoners Rift might not be that bad of an option.

as long as it works against zed :p

tainteddaze3 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zephyr

They already did what your asking for and removed it. Anyway we don't need more op as fuck AD items that over shadow tank/support/ap items. What we need is actually ap items that are equal in terms of strength as the AD ones. Although we are not getting that.

Stained Spear1 votes

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http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Zephyr

They already did what your asking for and removed it. Anyway we don't need more op as fuck AD items that over shadow tank/support/ap items. What we need is actually ap items that are equal in terms of strength as the AD ones. Although we are not getting that.

your map to the funeral home is uncalled for and i will ask you to remove it at once. Also not really looking for anything op here just a niche AS item for bruiser junglers

xxxDogmanxxx2 votes

I wish they would make item 3101 + item 3077 into some sort of new AS Hydra that has the AoE from item 3124. Especially now that they're removing it in 6.9.

Stained Spear1 votes

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I wish they would make item 3101 + item 3077 into some sort of new AS Hydra that has the AoE from item 3124. Especially now that they're removing it in 6.9.

genius

Hullabaloo9072 votes

I would like a new zephyr but without tenacity and a better passive. Something that synergizes with manune

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Funny, there was a thread today where someone asked to remove Stinger at all.

Stained Spear1 votes

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Funny, there was a thread today where someone asked to remove Stinger at all.

:/ why

Elite4Runner1 votes

I like the item 3101 item 3024 idea. Don't forget that Glacial Shroud gives Mana too.

It does actually bother me that there aren't many defensive AS options, but I understand that there aren't many tanks that need attack speed. Still, I always think it is nice to have more options.

At this point you're looking at 50% Attack Speed, 20% CDR, 25 Armor, and 250 Mana.

So a final item would probably give more mana, maybe more armor, and some kind of passive effect.

As for the passive, I would like to see something that returns mana on hit like Essence Reaver but not on crit. Sort of like a straight life steal, but mana instead of HP.

Stained Spear1 votes

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I like the item 3101 item 3024 idea. Don't forget that Glacial Shroud gives Mana too.

It does actually bother me that there aren't many defensive AS options, but I understand that there aren't many tanks that need attack speed. Still, I always think it is nice to have more options.

At this point you're looking at 50% Attack Speed, 20% CDR, 25 Armor, and 250 Mana.

So a final item would probably give more mana, maybe more armor, and some kind of passive effect.

As for the passive, I would like to see something that returns mana on hit like Essence Reaver but not on crit. Sort of like a straight life steal, but mana instead of HP.

most attack speed champs dont really buy mana items so I think an on-hit damage or armor reduction passive would be more useful.

Elite4Runner2 votes

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most attack speed champs dont really buy mana items so I think an on-hit damage or armor reduction passive would be more useful.

Ashe Bard Diana Ezreal Kalista Kassadin Kayle Kindred KogMaw Lucian Lulu MasterYi MissFortune Nasus Skarner TwistedFate Twitch Udyr Urgot Varus Volibear

Are all examples of champions, and there are probably more, who would benefit from high attack speed items with mana regen on-hit. There may be other item combinations that can work equally well for them, but this would be a single item that could help them make up for part or all of their mana issues.

Stained Spear2 votes

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Ashe Bard Diana Ezreal Kalista Kassadin Kayle Kindred KogMaw Lucian Lulu MasterYi MissFortune Nasus Skarner TwistedFate Twitch Udyr Urgot Varus Volibear

Are all examples of champions, and there are probably more, who would benefit from high attack speed items with mana regen on-hit. There may be other item combinations that can work equally well for them, but this would be a single item that could help them make up for part or all of their mana issues.

u have to reeeeeeally try hard to go oom as skarner, attack speed on nasus is pointless, other than that bard wtf, other than that yeah sure it could work

Elite4Runner1 votes

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u have to reeeeeeally try hard to go oom as skarner, attack speed on nasus is pointless, other than that bard wtf, other than that yeah sure it could work

Skarner has great mana sustain, yes, ... while he is in the Jungle, ... which is one of my biggest complaints for Skarner. He is pretty much exclusively played in the jungle, but okay.

Nasus's passive gives him life steal on hit, so no, not pointless. Most people will play around his Q, which makes sense. I am just throwing this out there because he could use it.

Attack speed bard was actually pretty popular when he was first released. Maybe not the best example, but anyone who uses mana and has any sort of ability/passive that makes enhances their auto attacks, or simply auto attacks regularly, could use this as a means of restoring mana.

I am not saying that this HAS to be the passive, but I do think this would be a good one. Your idea could be good too, I just think this would probably be better as more of a utility item than an aggressive item. All of the other items that build from Glacial Shroud item 3025 item 3110 item 3050 item 3187 are all more utility/defense items. Most aggressive is Iceborn, which is actually getting it's damage nurfed so the most viable part of it's utility will be the slow.

Sire Hippington1 votes

I'm all for other items building off stinger, but why the hell would we want a crit item out of it? it's not like we have already !5! crit/as items building of zeal...one of them even giving cdr(and for the rest you have ER).

Dealth1 votes

Zephyr used to be an item. Riot could easily replace item 3101 with item 1043 on item 3115 but they refuse to do it because item 3101 is a legacy item. AKA it's significant to the game's heritage and would be sad if it was gone.

Stained Spear1 votes

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Zephyr used to be an item. Riot could easily replace item 3101 with item 1043 on item 3115 but they refuse to do it because item 3101 is a legacy item. AKA it's significant to the game's heritage and would be sad if it was gone.

recurve bow is the shittiest most overpriced item in the game, yet I'm forced to build it every game for devourer. I mean 200 dollars more to double the attack speed and 10% more cdr? stinger outclasses recurve so hard its ridiculous the only thing stopping people from building it is the thing it builds into. All I'm asking is similar to guinsoos, just have better item pathing so we can have solid power throughout the game rather than a spike into garbage or garbage into spike.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

zephyr?

anyway. build a stinger item that has nothing to do with crit

Stained Spear1 votes

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zephyr?

anyway. build a stinger item that has nothing to do with crit

note taken no crit, stop saying zephyr imma cry.

BastionKross1 votes

Crazy idea here: insanibane

Giving marksmen access to an armor item that also grants offensives stats would make it a must build in the bot lane for a lot of champs.

2nd idea: destructive justice

We already have multiple attack speed items with crit, there's no need to add another one.

MY FAVORITE:the ultimatum

I'm going to assume you meant 300 health instead of 30. This is basically a Sterak's Gage tailor made for marksmen. Even though it scales off defensive stats, very few tanks and bruisers actually want attack speed to the point they'd build this over Sterak's. (Notable exceptions being Xin and Volibear, maybe Diana, Udyr, and Skarner) Oh god, imagine if a Yi built this with Titanic. Tank Ekko would have a field day.

Stained Spear1 votes

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Giving marksmen access to an armor item that also grants offensives stats would make it a must build in the bot lane for a lot of champs.

We already have multiple attack speed items with crit, there's no need to add another one.

I'm going to assume you meant 300 health instead of 30. This is basically a Sterak's Gage tailor made for marksmen. Even though it scales off defensive stats, very few tanks and bruisers actually want attack speed to the point they'd build this over Sterak's. (Notable exceptions being Xin and Volibear, maybe Diana, Udyr, and Skarner) Oh god, imagine if a Yi built this with Titanic. Tank Ekko would have a field day.

That moment when I'm a xin and voli main, the entire point of this thread is to make better items for them and youare clearly taking this from an adc point of view when none of these would even be optimal for them.

BastionKross1 votes

When you propose a new addition to League, the very first thing you should be asking yourself is "Hey, is someone other than my intended targets going to abuse this". That's why Titanic and Gage got nerfed; not because bruisers and juggernauts were using them, but because other classes were abusing them. Those items weren't "optimal" for those other classes either, but they still got purchased and used to the point where the nerf bat had to be wielded.

And you can't seriously be suggesting that Riot implement an item that would only mainly benefit two champions; maybe five if you count the other three I mentioned. It wouldn't be worth the time or the effort to code it. Hell, Wit's End is getting flak right now because only two or three champs build it on a regular basis. Granted Wit's has been in the game for a long time comparatively and is starting to show it's age, but the situation is similar enough for comparisons.

Just as well, Xin and Voli are strong enough right now without having an item tailor made for them. Any item buffs and their kits would most likely have to be nerfed to keep them from becoming a problem. They don't need help at the moment, even in the form of smoother itemization.

LFT1 votes

interesting concept hopefully a rioter comes and explains the thought process on removing zephyr and what they plan to do with stinger in the future.

Stained Spear1 votes

We did it guys! New trinity is stinger based!

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