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suggestion to Poacher's Knife

DoFr··2 votes·636 views

instead of having as a counter-jungle item, how about a jungle objectives item?

here's what i have in mind: 1- the Range on this item's smite is increased 2- you get 10% MS whenever you smite a monster for 2.5 seconds, 80% speed for epic Monsters (i'm willing to argue and maybe lower the MS boost on regular jungle monsters if it seemed too high, however stealing Dragon/Baron should be rewarded with a massive MS)

i hate as much as anyone else to tell whats my plans whenever i buy poacher's knife "hey enemy team! buckle up them wards, we're about to hit your jungle!"

but, reworking this item to be a jungle Control item, while still having enough range to smite enemy Monsters from behind a wall and in a safe distance, provided you have vision of said monster.

you get MS for smiting a monster Basically makes you Gank faster after smiting scuttle, or smiting scuttle to escape bad situations, or do you a driveby, smite The Dragon as you gain insane MS, and here's the best part, MS increase is always good on anyone, be it a Tank, an ADC, an Assassin, or a Bruiser, hell, even a mage, so it's never a waste stat.

could be also a Great engage item for close quarter skirmishers in jungle.

3 Comments

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Being able to Smite over walls is a little insane. It takes away a lot of the mechanical skill needed to steal a buff (you have to time your flash just right based on how much damage they can deal in the exact time it takes to get you over the wall to steal) and then your opponents don't even get the small reward of killing you afterwards because you're across a wall.

I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing, but if players were intended to smite over walls I think that would be in the game already.

DoFr1 votes

to be fair, you can move dragon away from the wall, and if you're doing baron, without clearing the wards in baron pit, or warding the wall behind baron, then anyone could steal it.

alternatively, we could say, the smite range could be from the outer side of baron's wall, all the way to one of baron's tiny legs, (this way you can't target baron, but still have a very large smite range)

risay1 votes

This really doesn't make a difference, other than the range of the smite increase. Simply because of that range, everyone is gonna build it instead of any of the other options you can build from machete. You can't simply buff one item insanely and ignore the other jungler items especially when your posting on the "Gameplay and Balance" forum. The MS movement speed won't make much of a difference either, its not worth it for any laner to give up a summoner for a small MS buff (not the ones your talking about because what your mentioning is better than ghost and will never be implemented). The only benefit of this MS increase is for faster jungle clears which again won't make much of a difference.

There are already many "great engage" items in the game, such as Talisman of Ascension, and Righteous Glory that give an AOE speed up and provides stats. Which most pros are already building on junglers/supports anyways....

Poacher's Knife is still viable, just because the pros don't build it, it doesn't mean it won't ever be picked. It's a meta based item, like most items within the game are. Plus, its an item that works more in solo queue than it does competitively mainly because pros ward effectively.

A possible change for this item, would be if they increased the true damage that Poacher's Knife does, so that when you do counter jungle or try to steal dragon, you have a higher chance of doing so. Plus it is a reasonable trade off, instead of a slow that other machete options provide, or some other ability, you get more damage and for e.g more gold.

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