Anyone notice how poor Lee Sin/Nidalee have become?

King Odin··6 votes·565 views

Currently with the META surrounding tanky top laners and junglers, this makes champions like Nidalee and Lee Sin extremely weak as they basically thrive off squishy targets with no peel. Now even though Lee got no nerfs he is nearly absolutely useless as a jungler in this META and let me explain why.

I am an Amumu jungler main, and I noticed that for the very few solo Q games that I see a Lee Sin picked or a Nidalee in the jungle, they always end up falling off once team fights roll around. Usually they heavily counter gank me and sometimes do as well as 8/1 early game, now though this sets me behind, Lee Sin is known for his relatively poor team participation if he can't get onto a squishy. So compared to Amumu who does a lot of damage and can lock down an entire team effortlessly, Lee Sin really can't do much to avoid that. Leading him to fall off severely especially if he rushes an early Ravenous Hydra and ends up just being focused. Counter ganking champions like Amumu or Sejuani really doesn't set them behind very much since they have excellent clear time and basically scale off building cheap tank items like frozen heart leading them to be a lot stronger than champs like Lee, Nid, Vi, and WW since they simply can't compare to the amount of peel, cc and tankiness which Amumu, Sej and Gragas provide. That is exactly why I like Amumu so much, he is beter than Sejuani in my opinion, no one bans him and he is a hyper carry tank that can easily get fed and turn around an entire game with his Ultimate. I especially love him since he can melt a backline if he has item 3001 and if you're really fed then a item 3151 calls for GG.

TL;DR You don't need to nerf a champ for them to become weak because the game it's self will change over time.

12 Comments

Lugg3 votes

They are still stupidly strong for their roles as early pressure junglers. They can start ganking very early, thus snowballing their lanes and winning the game before the teamfights even become relevant. They are just like any champion, if you don't take advantage of their strengths, they are going to suck.

Troy2426212 votes

I'm sorry, but calling them useless or weak is just silly. They're still extremely good at their jobs, it's just that what they provide is no longer as desirable as it once was. In addition, tanks fare well against their cheese, which further reduces the incentive to use them.

Still perfectly usable,...

MLDzXnRRR1 votes

So you say that assasins like Nida and Lee can't teamfight? They still destroy Sejuani and company in the jungle, if they dare to invade

King Odin2 votes

They are really poor at it and entire rely on hitting a single target that is squishy. As I stated, counter jungling is borderline useless in this meta since it's so easy to bounce back with tank junglers.

Best Lee Sin OH2 votes

Not even. Die twice to a Lee Sin in your jungle and see if you outscale him.

King Odin1 votes

You still will once teamfighting rolls around, Amumu is nearly impossble to set behind to a point where he is useless, his cc is just too useful.

Axests1 votes

nidalee destroys this meta, her q into cougar combo can burst the crap out of tanks and she still has the damage she's always had for squishies. Only difference is there's less damage dealers running around for her to worry about. I'd say nid is in a very good spot in this meta. My source being a game my friend played yesterday where he put a sej full build at half with his combo.

Serevas1 votes

I have to agree with you there. I'd even say that's more favorable for someone like Nidalee. Fewer targets to get off the map for the enemy team to go from lethal to hitting you with wet noodles. The rest of the targets might take a bit to remove from the map, but they do virtually no damage themselves.

King Odin1 votes

What elo and how well did nid do early game?

Axests1 votes

plat 5 in the 3v3 game and gold 3 in the 5v5 we played. Any elo below nidalee can crush baddies (unless said nid is bad in which it's cuz she's bad). Nid did well early, her jungle clears are pretty easy. She got an early kill on the mid and was able to help the other lanes pick up kills too.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

But bruh, don't you know that LeeSin is the bestest, greatest, undisputed most dominant jungler of all time and no amount of nerfs is too much? #GutLeeSin2015

PokladnicaZla1 votes

They aren't bad,they are just overshadowed by tanks that are seeing play right now.For me those 2 are annoying as hell to play against.

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