Can this item please be nerfed? Even after removing the heal from it, it's still busted. This entire meta depends on which bot lane gets fed, which sucks ass for top laners. Literally all mid and jungler has to do is roam bot and dive them over and over until the games over because Janna got ardent before Lulu did.
its going to be broken as long as ADC are OP.. anything that makes them stronger is broken.
i mean my main 
is now running 
becuase it makes her heal stronger and becuase her heal is also a MASSIVE attack speed steroid.. and giving your adc 60% attack speed and a heal is patty much worth an entire champion on your team now.
until ADC get toned down a LOT. any support item making them stronger is going to be broken
Riot said that they were hoping to see a counter strategy at worlds so they were waiting to nerf it in case it happened. But honestly are you really gonna see a counter strategy to this conservative playstyle (conservatism generally prevails in competitive) where the entire point of ardent enchanter + hypercarry is to remove counterplay?
Counterplay to most hypercarries is dive (at least 
)That's removed due to 
sitting next to them.
Counterplay to enchanters (and several other supports) used to be "kill them first so they can't get multiple spell rotations off."
Can't do that anymore since they just drop an ardent buff on the 
who will just machine gun you down with their on-hit and drastically improved midgame itemization.
Thanks for taking your game pillar of counterplay and throwing it out the window.
I was about to disagree, then remembered i got something like 15k damage added from the onhit passive alone last game as Rakan. :P
I think the item you really have a problem with is 
- lets get real here.
I still don't get why everyone is crying about the current Ardent Censer, it no longer grants lifesteal, yes it gives attack speed but that's what that item's main purpose is, the bonus on-hit damage is meh.
But if this item were to be nerfed than my suggestion would be that the pasive should be an active instead with a fairly long cooldown similar to 
(90 seconds) that can cast an aura for example around the champion giving nearby alies a thr current Ardent buff, this way it would't be so spamable.
As a support main, I hate that this is the be all end all for rush things. Need mr and want athenes instead, or god forbid want redemption for Soraka? "OMG WHERE IS YOUR CENSER YOU MORON" every god damn game. I want it to be nerfed so I can build anything else without being flamed nonstop. This is the return of the redemption mindset all over again. If it's a normal game, I don't care about the perceived "op" item of the time. It's gotten to the point of if I lose without having rushed censer, people will blame the entire loss on me regardless of if the other team has censer or not.
The very concept of the support's item slots being a source of more raw passive stats for the ADC is flawed in and of itself. The entire Enchanter class is completely out of place in League. It belongs in a PvE healer/tank/DPS MMO, it has zero place in a PvP environment.
jokes on you, my team has both lulu and janna
I'm the sole remaining mid lulu player
Here we go with uneducated circlejerk. [sg-lulu] Ardent is in a fine position, start looking to nerf ADC items.
what you say about bot lane being fed is true but its not Ardent censer Its the ones who abuse its stats and that is not the support champions.
There's a counter strategy I've tried a few times, it's really fun too. Support Nasus. Grab Stoneborn Pact, armor reds, scaling health yellows, MR or CDR blues, and AP quints. Max E then W and start spellthief's edge for the quest later on. You get insane movespeed + slows so they can't get away from you, your W is a cripple which counters the attack speed buff(and actually slows more than the buff at max rank), and you can build Frozen Heart or Randuins to make them even weaker. Drop your E and let your ADC pelt them with autos and wither them so they can't fight back. You have your E to improve your ADCs damage against them, which is also good poke, you have your W to cripple their ADC, making them attack slow as hell, and Stoneborn Pact on your W and frost queens to heal them while they auto. Just after you get frost queen's go tanky. I usually put a Knight's Vow or Zeke's, or both in there as well.
