On the subject of Fizz and his laning phase

Whut Thuh ··5 votes·806 views

It sucks. he gets beaten in every way possible until lvl 6 which by that time he usually has extremely low farm and probably 1 death which means guess what !?! HE STILL SUCKS! even with a mega shark engage his w takes so long to do any damage i find my targets getting away easily or their team surrounding them and blocking my engage. his stats are garbage he has no way to protect himself no ranged counter harass and no hope to win the laning phase.

I know that the new assasin updates are supposed to give the enemy time to react but fizz needs like 4 seconds to get off a full combo. as far as im concerned thats far too long.

The way he would survive his laning phase prerework was whenever his enemy walked up to harass he would wq in hit um once or twice then e out leaving lots of time between his e cooldowns for him to be harassed and pushed under tower.

which brings me to my next point. his waveclear... oooooooooooh its abysmal. you cant even clear the caster minions pre 6 because you just take so much damage from the enemy laner that its not worth it. his e has a massive tradeoff; farm or stay alive its just too much to lose on either side.

TL:DR fizz damage sucks waveclear sucks harass sucks farming sucks base armor and mr buff pls (cdr on E would also be great)

sincerely: Sad fizz player

13 Comments

fizz meistër3 votes

i definitely agree his combo is destroyed which made him fun now hes boring plz riot make a change

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

How was his laning even changed in any way? If anything his waveclear is better now. Use QW together on minions.

HongChongDong3 votes

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How was his laning even changed in any way? If anything his waveclear is better now. Use QW together on minions.

Doesn't really work like that. Skilled mid laners will pick counter picks against him that focus on harassing him. Can't farm regardless of wave clear if you're zoned off of CS.

Whut Thuh 1 votes

youve never played fizz have you

MagicFlyingLlama1 votes

Fizz is one of my most-played champions.

Whut Thuh 1 votes

then how could you not think his laning phase is changed? before you could wq auto and then e to safety (which dealt good consistent predictable damage) now you have to apply your w then wait 2 seconds before you do any real damage. and since your w passive only burns for 3 seconds you have a one second gap in which your w does similiar damage to old fizz

feryvunny1 votes

I think the issue is more about you getting out-played or getting stuck in a shitty match-up rather than fizz being bad lol

His kit is exactly the same except his ult got BUFFED (more range, more damage, bigger hitbox) and W got changed to a huge 2s burst ability rather than relying on auto attacking for DoTs. So if the changes gave him power I don't see why you think he's worse now. He fell out of the meta awhile ago and needs this new power

HongChongDong4 votes

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I think the issue is more about you getting out-played or getting stuck in a shitty match-up rather than fizz being bad lol

His kit is exactly the same except his ult got BUFFED (more range, more damage, bigger hitbox) and W got changed to a huge 2s burst ability rather than relying on auto attacking for DoTs. So if the changes gave him power I don't see why you think he's worse now. He fell out of the meta awhile ago and needs this new power

The damage seems like it's better on paper but in reality it's worst. The old W was MUCH better for 1v1s and early game power and the shark increased damage which meant more burst from your E and your W. Late game your W with the 20% increase damage buff from your shark easily outclasses his current W if you got atleast 2 auto's off.

feryvunny2 votes

I see. Ah well Rito did say they were going to work on the numbers for assassins later so maybe fizz will see some # buffs

Whut Thuh 1 votes

hopefully

Whut Thuh 1 votes

when i was looking at the patch notes for preseason i thought fizz was going to be op as balls but then you get into a game and realize that its near impossible to get your w off in laning phase and your ult damage didnt really increase that much since you lost the damage boost from old ult.

ActivatingEMP1 votes

I would disagree, in a game of new Talon I played against a fizz and he was able to burst me down 80-0 at level 1

Whut Thuh 1 votes

what where you doin? the only way for that to happen is that you literally face tanked his autos then his w

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