Do Assassins need a nerf? (Zed)

XElement··6 votes·908 views

I'm not saying they are OP. And maybe it's different in normal/rank. However, in blind pick they are 90% the picks. It kinda gets old seeing only Talon/Zed/Yasou.

And it is more so Zed honestly. Now obviously just because they are picked a lot doesn't mean they are OP. But the issue I'm talking about is the fact that, and again for blind pick at least, they are the majority in mid.

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HolyCrapItsMe5 votes

omfg Im so tired of saying this, assassins dont need nerfs, Thunderfucks does.

Spoofghoul2 votes

yea its season 3 allover again

Teemo or Feedmo2 votes

on my other account (which is krizalidkof99) i main zed,and i can confirm zed has counterplay.

in lane,you are heavily reliant on hitting your 2 shurikens,which is kinda hard to me.

if an enemy has qss/zhonyas/untargetability don't even try to ult them. you. will. die.

he loses a bit of his damage late game.

plus,his all in is hard to pull off for begginers,especially if the enemy uses his abilities behind him(which is where you're gonna land.)

ALSO HIS MECHANICS. AT THE TIME YOU MASTER THEM YOU'LL BE LIKE THIS

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVPxgvYpaY0cMS1Ftjgo650XOfJpoBZdrRaE_VyzWlcP9WcICQ

Gubaguy1 votes

Yeah... assassins are kind of stupid now... Hihg damage, high mobility, able to get into and out of fights at a whim... assassins should be strong at taking out individual squishy targets, not nuking anyone they want with virtually no counter play

Spizzle90002 votes

Zed has a lot of counterplay, believe it or not. High damage and good mobility? Yes. Good laning phase? Yeah. He's an early/mid game champion. Play safe early and poke from a distance. It helps a ton.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Zed has a lot of counterplay, believe it or not. High damage and good mobility? Yes. Good laning phase? Yeah. He's an early/mid game champion. Play safe early and poke from a distance. It helps a ton.

lmao. he got huge distance buffs. BUFF HIM FROM DISTANCE? thats what he EXCELS at. let me guess. teh counterplay is dodge. zhonya and qss. basic counters against any champion

Spizzle90001 votes

That's because of the enormous nerf that bugfix for his WQ was. This helps compensate for the loss of speed in his combo and how much less smooth it feels. Zhonya's and QSS are counterbuilding, not counterplaying.

Dodging is counterplay against anyone. In some cases, such as Ahri, that's some of the primary counterplay.

But with Zed, you can play a passive early game and harass from a distance. When he gets ultimate, let him push the wave up to your tower as many Zeds are impatient and will dive you out of boredom or frustration. Stay away from his shadow, don't get close to a shadow especially when below half health as he could switch with it and E + AA to do a ton of damage in less than a second. Basically, play quite cautiously early on and he'll fall off. Most Zeds are a one or two trick player. He's incredibly predictable, and you can stay behind minions early on to reduce damage from Q's even if you don't dodge them. Also avoid getting caught between a Zed and his shadow as a WEQWAAE combo can be fatal early on, especially if he throws in an ignite.

That's counterplay, boy. And Zed's melee, so I fail to see how he excels at distance. Poking from over 1000 units away with his WQ combo, yes, but he needs to be very close to do the bulk of his damage. Plus his shurikens are very easy to dodge, considering their size.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Or punish him for using shadow offensively since he can't retreat after, but everyone just stands still and lets him land q without retaliation instead of dodging and harassing him I guess.

Or do the smart thing and just farm up until you can get a chance to roam or jungle gank. It's a strategy game you don't have to win a 1on1 or lane to win the game. But then again people don't think and just want to constantly win lane and game.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

I think that one of the reasons for that is because assassins are fun and easy to learn. Also, people have the mentality that getting a lot of kills means carrying a game. Assassins tend to get a lot of kills, so people think that they are the best to carry. Also, assassins in fact tend to have the best chance of carrying a game alone if they manage to snowball.

Unfortunately this is something that no nerf can solve.

Spizzle90001 votes

Zed just has a kit people find fun, at least partially. Plus, he has a low skill floor, but a high skill cap. He is pretty strong, but I think that it's not entirely him being OP at the moment. His numbers might be a tad high, but it's also because the fact that so many people have been using immobile mages mid and immobile ADCs like Kog and MF are making a comeback.

Not saying you said that Zed's OP, but many think he is. There's more than one factor that contributes to his recent success and popularity.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

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