What Viktor Really Needs

Augment ELO·4/23/2016, 9:07:36 PM·23 votes·1,114 views

So, I used to main Viktor. Uhm. I kinda had to give that up this season, he's not in a great spot. Why though? Obviously he is a tough to balance champion, as his Hex Core means any itemization nerf indirectly buffs him. I'm going to break down his REAL problems (none of which are addressed by this PBE garbage).

  • Too much power shifted onto E. This is obvious. I love E's power, but it's too centralizing and any nerfs to it just trash his kit entirely, since it is 75% of his kit. The addition of the 1.2 second delay I guess is just to make it seem like you can counterplay his E, instead of "E Upgrade = 40% damage boost". The upfront Nerf is too big however, and the delay is too long with the crazy mobility champs have. I would make it a 0.8 to 1.0 second delay and make the damage split evenly instead of 35% first tick 65% second tick.
  • Q feels useless. I don't mean Q damage is useless, that's a common misconception. The range is too short and the delay before the auto is too long. It's "mana to damage" ratio is WAY worse than E, so in lane when mana is precious you are better using that mana to get an extra E cast off. I like how they are buffing the shield and initial Q damage, but the range needs to be increased on the empowered auto and decreased on the initial Q. This creates a realistic scenario of "they walk up too close, so you tag with Q and land auto because of extra range as they walk back". With the current ranges the Q has more range than the auto, so you cast Q they walk back, and you end up using the auto on a creep.
  • W doesn't deal damage. I know it doesn't make sense, but they have reworked quite literally every mage but Viktor to have 4 damage/damage buffing abilities. This results in Viktor's combo being too fast as it only has 3 spells, but leaves you with nothing to do when they are down. Either add damage on the stun, a DOT while inside it, or add some damage when you upgrade it. This leads into my next point......
  • Hex Core upgrades are too linear. Players will buy damage before utility 90% of the time, which means they always buy E first. Viktor's first rework did a good job giving you choices on WHEN to upgrade, but the ORDER in which you upgrade shouldn't always be the same. Viktor's kit shouldn't also use E upgrade like a crutch, he should be viable without it. This prevents the scenario of "if you get E first back you win lane, if you don't you are screwed".

So Yeah. RIto pls help.

9 Comments

Doctor Dyment4/23/2016, 11:16:15 PM7 votes

I don't think his Gravity Field should deal damage, but the rest I am on board for.

ProtestantCaesar4/24/2016, 8:36:36 PM2 votes

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  • W doesn't deal damage. I know it doesn't make sense, but they have reworked quite literally every mage but Viktor to have 4 damage/damage buffing abilities. This results in Viktor's combo being too fast as it only has 3 spells, but leaves you with nothing to do when they are down. Either add damage on the stun, a DOT while inside it, or add some damage when you upgrade it. This leads into my next point......

I don't mean this to be just a comment on your grammar; I want to know if it is literally every mage but Viktor. Several mages that I like playing have abilities that don't deal damage, unless there are PBE changes I'm not aware of.

Have they changed Anivia 's W (wall)? Have they changed Veigar 's E (stun)? Those are the ones I care more about, but there's also AurelionSol 's E (flight), Lux W (shield), and, if you count them as mages and not just as supports, Morgana 's E (shield), Karma's E (shield), and Zilean 's E (slow).

As for Viktor, would having W apply the grounded effect help him much?

Spoofghoul4/24/2016, 12:25:01 AM2 votes

what viktor needs is a 4th arm so he can shoot plasma ray beams in addition to lasers

Big Lincoln4/25/2016, 2:46:15 AM1 votes

dw they reworked him so that he can be the ranged equivalent of tank ekko

get ready for cancer

Woook3r4/24/2016, 1:32:47 AM1 votes

I think hes great as a farm bot. I wish they wouldnt touch him at all. I just get rylais and peel for my team while I completely destroy sieges with my stupid waveclear. No one can touch me on him really. I just clear waves and run away. Then if someone melee chases me, they will probably get stunned up my my w and eat a ton of dmg. Its kinda duchebaggy, but ppl are kinda like "ehh fuck this" and they go bother someone else.

If they feel like they have to change him. U might make his e and q interact. E can be on a charge basis and have longer range. Then you can target any fissure created by e and explode it with your q or ulti.

Lady Hammerlock4/24/2016, 12:13:53 AM1 votes

1 second delay,they are going to change it

"his gravity field doing dmg" fuck no,even in the state he is in now(on PBE) a stun is a death sentence to enemies

His Q isn't useless at all that +Rylai's makes tanks absolutely fucking struggle killing you

I apologize for use of profanity,just to emphasize

MunchCrunchLunch4/25/2016, 2:41:10 AM1 votes

wish there was interaction between the gravity field and ult. if u ult someone inside of it it deals bonus damage or osmething like that