Nerfs based on Counterplay, not overall strength work for competitive but not lower tier play

Augment ELO·9/10/2015, 3:04:58 AM·4 votes·602 views

So people still don't get this. They ask, why are silences removed from so many champs. This is because silences are (were) put mostly on burst mages/assassins with targeted abilities (Leblanc, Viktor, Kassadin, Talon). As Riot has stated, short duration silences felt more like unresponsiveness than actual cc, and silences need to either be on spells with counterplay or on melees.

I'm not targeting this post at these champs, or even at silences overall because that's only a small example. The main point is, unranked, inexperienced, or even bronze/low silver players struggle against champs like Yi. Do you see Yi in LCS, or even in Gold/Plat (yes yi mains play him but thats it)? Do you see Riot nerfing Yi, despite the fact that he pubstomps and is frequently banned/picked at lower ELO? No. Because Yi has a clear weakness (hard cc) and that means he has COUNTERPLAY. Compare that to (pre-nerf) Kassadin. With all targeted/aoe spells AND a silence, he is low counterplay. Low counterplay champs are INCREDIBLY hard to balance, they are often either op or worthless. Often they are reworked/changed to actually have counterplay, such as having a targeted spell made a skillshot.

So yeah, before you complain about balance, consider whether you are just failing to acknowledge the champ's counterplay, or whether they are actually overpowered. This doesn't mean champs with counterplay can't be op, or shouldn't be nerfed, it just means that they are less likely to be nerfed (for good reason).

6 Comments

Critmaster Garen9/10/2015, 3:51:20 AM2 votes

lower tier needs to learn how to play like higher tier. problem solved.

making the game easier for noobs isnt how game balance works. its just dumbing it down.

forist9/10/2015, 4:52:43 AM1 votes

The debate of silences vs counterplay is old. I can name many burst mages/assassins that have harder cc, but people will still qq about a champ with a silence. Idk why.

forist9/11/2015, 12:18:34 AM1 votes

That's why this game is strategic though. Play a champion that has a favorable match-up. Some champions should be strong against certain types of champions.