it's retarded playing against all ap team. unless you have a morg or veig, chances are you're not going to win.
even tanks get destroyed by ap faster than ad. i dont know what else i can buy when my main items to counter ap look like this
and i still get bursted by mages.
WukongMain2 votesTank
(Pick a Dmg item 
)
AD Damage dealer
( or
AP
(
Or )
You pick the build order.
You'll find a common theme here in my randomly selected item builds is revivals from guardian angel and shield procs from Maw and Gage (note that don't work at the same time anymore or i'd put them in the same build xD). The shields should help save your life in most cases.
Pierce The Veal1 votesTank
AD Damage dealer
AP
You pick the build order.
You'll find a common theme here in my randomly selected item builds is revivals from guardian angel and shield procs from Maw and Gage (note that don't work at the same time anymore or i'd put them in the same build xD). The shields should help save your life in most cases.
It's crazy how you have to build items with special passives just to be able to stand a mages burst for a little longer.
But what do I know, I'm a filthy kha'zix player (or was, before I quit league).
Anyone else remember when they were about to make abyssal scepter a combination of a magic black cleaver and sunfire cape, with hp, mr, and AP?
WukongMain1 votesOMG i know right? It's a shame you have to actually think about the items to buy and the items the enemy is building... and build accordingly. It's such a shame you have build correctly in order to not die.... such a crime...qq cry cry rage rage meow rawr.
and that's a weird abyssal scepter concept aha, glad it never made it to live! :D. The new abyssal has AP,Mr,Cdr and that special aoe mr debuff. its great :D.
Pierce The Veal1 votesOMG i know right? It's a shame you have to actually think about the items to buy and the items the enemy is building... and build accordingly. It's such a shame you have build correctly in order to not die.... such a crime...qq cry cry rage rage meow rawr.
and that's a weird abyssal scepter concept aha, glad it never made it to live! :D. The new abyssal has AP,Mr,Cdr and that special aoe mr debuff. its great :D.
I honestly think people over-exaggerated the "weakness" of mages with the rework and got a lot of items nerfed for nothing. People were building that way (ahem maw of malmortius steraks ga combinations) because mages were so difficult to deal with otherwise. But yeah, it's crazy how people think that "x is op/weak" because they refuse to play or build around it.
As for the old proposed version of abyssal, it was basically going to have a sunfire cape burn that shred %magic resist and built out of the mini sunfire thingy and negatron cloak and blasting wand I think.
Imagine that on tank ekko.
WukongMain1 votesYeah man didn't you know OP basically means "Oh this champion is so overpowered because i am too lazy to counterplay it. I wish to mindless play the game and because this champion doesn't allow me to do that ITS OP" :D.
by sunfire cape burn that shred magic resist do you mean like...Wit's End type stacking MR debuff? like with each sunfire tick they lost a little more magic resist? Cause that actually sounds like it would be a fun item. rewarding for the guy that managed to stick to someones face long enough for the full MR debuff, and rewarding for the guy smart enough to keep kiting and leaving tick range long enough for the MR debuff to drop before re-entering combat.
Pierce The Veal1 votesYeah man didn't you know OP basically means "Oh this champion is so overpowered because i am too lazy to counterplay it. I wish to mindless play the game and because this champion doesn't allow me to do that ITS OP" :D.
by sunfire cape burn that shred magic resist do you mean like...Wit's End type stacking MR debuff? like with each sunfire tick they lost a little more magic resist? Cause that actually sounds like it would be a fun item. rewarding for the guy that managed to stick to someones face long enough for the full MR debuff, and rewarding for the guy smart enough to keep kiting and leaving tick range long enough for the MR debuff to drop before re-entering combat.
What actually annoys me though are mindless champions that don't allow other people to enjoy the game, ahem yorick or point click champions. They're slowly being phased out of the game though, which makes me happy.
It was up to 90 damage on the sunfire cape passive, and as the damage was dealt it shred % of their magic resist up to 35% mr reduction I believe, while having a sizable chunk of hp, mr, and AP. It would have guaranteed an era of diana, ekko, nautilus, sejuani, and several other sticky ap champions that ruin your day. I though it would be cool, but nobody else did, so it was't done. Honestly might have been more interesting than the current rendition of abyssal scepter.
Catastrop1 votesIt's crazy how you have to build items with special passives just to be able to stand a mages burst for a little longer.
But what do I know, I'm a filthy kha'zix player (or was, before I quit league).
Pierce The Veal1 votessarcasm intensifies
Still, zhonya's is fricking stupid. At least the passives can be played around. A good player with zhonya's can use it to dodge bullshit amounts of damage/cc Zhonya's hard counters physical damage as well as ALL burst regardless of damage type. Steraks, maw of malmortius, and all other defensive items don't compare in terms of anti-burst potential.
Now, before anyone goes off and tells me I'm just some AD caster main who's mad; I'm not. For the longest time I have mained akali, before quitting and coming back to play only on and off. Do you know what two items akali rushes most of the time? Gunblade zhonya's. Surprise!
Catastrop1 votesYeah Zhonya's is just retarded, frankly I think this item just holds mages back from having truly great defensive items. Ones that are fair and don't cause enemies to bleed salt.
Pierce The Veal1 votesYeah Zhonya's is just retarded, frankly I think this item just holds mages back from having truly great defensive items. Ones that are fair and don't cause enemies to bleed salt.
I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that zhonya's can't truly be balanced. Either it's up way too often and is required on everyone, or it's a niche item that isn't built most of the time. There's no real in between. That's what happens when you make an armor item that can counter true damage, magic damage, physical damage, and cc.
Vanic9982 votesI'm not sure how you get busted while building those items but I'm an AP main and I'll tell you from my personal experience, if I'm the only or one of the two AP champions on my team, tanks typically just buy spirit visage and maybe Mercury treads and that is enough to COMPLETELY nullify an AP champions damage. I know most people don't do this, but I play Vel'Koz top and with the pre rework VELKOZ, whenever I go against tanks, once they build spectre's cowl, it already becomes really hard to kill them unless I get a gank and once they finish spirit visage, all my damage becomes next to zero. (The reworked VELKOZ makes top lane VELKOZ better though). From my experience, mr items were nerfed because they made an AP champion irrelevant too easily. Against AD champions, tanks at least have to stack armour.
Pierce The Veal1 votesI'm not sure how you get busted while building those items but I'm an AP main and I'll tell you from my personal experience, if I'm the only or one of the two AP champions on my team, tanks typically just buy spirit visage and maybe Mercury treads and that is enough to COMPLETELY nullify an AP champions damage. I know most people don't do this, but I play Vel'Koz top and with the pre rework VELKOZ, whenever I go against tanks, once they build spectre's cowl, it already becomes really hard to kill them unless I get a gank and once they finish spirit visage, all my damage becomes next to zero. (The reworked VELKOZ makes top lane VELKOZ better though). From my experience, mr items were nerfed because they made an AP champion irrelevant too easily. Against AD champions, tanks at least have to stack armour.
Of course, being an "ap main," I'll bet you've never gone, "hey look they're stacking MR, why don't I actually change up what I build and rush a void staff with a liandries to actually counterbuild their counterbuild?" Because that would be stupid to do. After all, they're not counterbuilding because they'd obviously build those items even against a full ad team, so you gotta nurf nurf nurf them, because otherwise you'd actually have to build something different once in a blue moon to deal with champions building against you!
Vanic9982 votesDude, the old Vel'Koz's build WAS liandrys, sorc shoes and void staff so of course I built those. I even built abyssal sceptre sometimes if I still can't damage them. I wasn't talking about the fighters that build some damage first and then some mr. I was talking about the tanks that built spirit visage as a FIRST item and no one except for rumble and teemo, builds magic pen right away. For mages, they need to get their mana problem handled first. My point was that in most games, spirit visage was the ONLY mr item that tanks built and it did a lot for them.
Pierce The Veal1 votesDude, the old Vel'Koz's build WAS liandrys, sorc shoes and void staff so of course I built those. I even built abyssal sceptre sometimes if I still can't damage them. I wasn't talking about the fighters that build some damage first and then some mr. I was talking about the tanks that built spirit visage as a FIRST item and no one except for rumble and teemo, builds magic pen right away. For mages, they need to get their mana problem handled first. My point was that in most games, spirit visage was the ONLY mr item that tanks built and it did a lot for them.
Vel'koz is and has always been an exception. But have you ever built other burst mages with a liandries because you saw what they were building? Besides, there is absolutely no reason for tanks to build mr unless you sent an ap laner against them. In which case, them building mr actually benefits the team as a whole as your adc will be able to kill them much earlier on. In fact, you could lane switch as soon as you see a visage with uour botlane, and your team could literally farm the enemy toplaner for kills.
Abyssphere1 votesThey got nerfed because MR itemisation was completely busted. Visage is insanely strong even now and makes it so mages can't even attempt to help their team kill tanks by gradually poking them out - it was retarded with 70 MR. Banshee's had its HP reduced to make it more manageable and try to discourage tanks building both Visage and Banshee's because the two combined made you completely untouchable by any mage not named Azir.
Visage is still stupidly strong, Banshee's is an acceptable tank purchase and MR itemisation for squishies has never been better. Nothing to complain about.
2yftLP0KQC1 votesthe problem is that they are ineffective.
Abyssphere1 votesIf you say so.
All Skillzz1 votesas an ap ezreal main if the enemy ad has
and tank has or
and mid rushed
and support has
i struggle to kill anyone lol. and ap ezreal has the 2nd highest burst in the game in his combo besides syndra.
The Biggest Rat1 votesok look at my game on august 29th, 2016 as vladimir. 3/6/1 pretty bad but watch the gameplay and you will understand why magic resist items(specifically spectres cowl) are retarded broken. if you dont wanna watch me get kekeled then this is what happens: i kill darius for the first 3 kills, i see he bought nullmagic mantle and a ruby crystal, say to my self "ok rush magicpen" so i rush void staff, then watch me fight him when he has spectres cowl. After that the tilt begins with me fighting him a second time where again i do nothing to him. after that im super tilted and just start throwing my self at him. he literally bought a mid tier(as in it can be built into by other items and can build into other items) item then proceeded to shrug off my attacks. its extremly frustrating to face against its like you arent playing the game at all.
Akali is SO HOT1 votesA lot of mages got their base damages and ratios reduced during the mage update so riot decided that they needed to lower MR across the board to make sure that their new mages were overpowered so they could make LCS big plays.
SwiftKitten881 votesholy necromancer..