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The OP game- player trying to help players

EvilRabbitt··1 votes·297 views

This is mostly for bronze/silver players who think they know the best/most op picks (yes, you do. don't deny it). I am bronze, I know I am garbage- WITH MECHANICS. With decisions and pick-counters, as well as theorycrafting (that's you know, masteries/runes/builds....the stuff) I'm pretty good cuz I can think without getting into my own ego...well...90% of the time I don't go ego-y. ANYWAY! Point of the thread- say champion, say why you think op, or something, and I will help you find out how they are actually weaker than you think.

I'll start. I hate Zed. I know he is not OP, but I seriously hate him. For the purpose of thread, I will make it look like I think he op.

-Zed's OP! He has 3 QUICK FLASHES that also MIMIC his abilities! He can clear waves effortlessly! HE CANT BE GANKED! (that's the gist, I just hate the mimics personally).

- How to counter: make sure zed is being pushes towards his shadow (so if he ults you, run towards where he came from). Do not fight within them. Remember his shadows have pretty high cooldowns and cost a bunch of energy if he misses. Also, if the mark goes on you try not to engage him anymore. However, if he chases and you cannot outrun him- beat him down as much as you can for the next person. tl;dr- Keep zed's shadow's close to each other (and him) while not engaging within them.

I am not bashing, I am not being aggressive, I honestly want to provide what bits and pieces I have noticed (and played through) that are weak towards "op champs, rito nerf plz, unbeatable". Please don't use win rate, pick rate, ban rate, equal skill, or "if he got fed" arguments because those will not help anyone. Play away.

tl;dr: Player trying to help players. Already showed my credential thingy in first few sentences. If you have an op champ, say who and why- I will try to provide ways for you to beat them. =)

I bet you this gets downvoted into oblivion before anyone responds though xD.

Edit: Nope. I got a response before I hit 0. Success! =D

6 Comments

hh the thinker2 votes

good job on trying to help people without being annoying/rude about it.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

I'm terrible at person to person. Can you help me? I want to help people, but I don't know how to word things online =(. Every thing I type sounds rude =(. The struggle of an analyst is real....

hh the thinker1 votes

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I'm terrible at person to person. Can you help me? I want to help people, but I don't know how to word things online =(. Every thing I type sounds rude =(. The struggle of an analyst is real....

I can help, as I'm both an analyst and I enjoy dealing with people. it doesn't sound rude how you are saying things so far, but I've only seen you type and little bit.

there are ways to word things to people and one of the best ways is to ask questions instead of statements or to just give a suggestion instead of sounding like an order, and while doing so, you have to make it clear that you aren't making any judgements, even if you really are.

for example: instead of, "build a sight stone Janna", you can say, "we may need more wards down. I upgraded my warding trinket but it doesn't seem to be enough. janna, if you were to get more wards, it would be appreciated".

it's much harder to get angrier at the second since you are showing that they will be thanked and that you are trying to help with the problem. there can be many ways of putting it nicely and even nicer than this, but I hope this helps show how you can change the wording a bit to seem less like an order and more like a request.

EvilRabbitt2 votes

Thanks for the tidbits. =)

Maximum Zilean1 votes

For me, its Shyvanna oddly. Late game I can handle her because she is kitable pretty easily if your competent enough, But I just cannot seem to beat her early no matter how hard I try... Unless I pull out Darius. But I know he's kinda weak and falls off super hard late game.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

Shyvanna early game issue? I'm going to assume top, because of the Darius bit. (just verifying)

Champion pick-wise: Go for Teemo, Darius, Jayce or Kalista...or maybe even Vayne or Ashe. You want to keep her off of you. I know at 6 that most Shy's want to engage because they have a way to put you where they want.

Laning: Unless she uses her E, pitiful damage, to cs you can punish her for going in. When she goes to cs, even if it means a loss of 20g, you should harass her a bit. Still assuming early, late game its a bit more of coordination and such- but you said you had it down. Anyway, if you see her coming at you make sure to fight within your minion line. The added damage before level 6 is pretty hefty and most players will discredit it. When I used to Shy top, I remember mostly how much damage I took- I'd wait until the entire minion wave (hopefully with some of mine left) was gone then I'd engage to try and outtrade them.

Build: A frozen mallet, or even a thornmail, would help a lot. Mallet for kiting, thornmail because she has no damage outside of her burnout and autos.

tl;dr- Counter-pick shyvanna top with Teemo/Darius/adc-with-cc because you can punish them for csing. A Jayce especially because not only can you punish, you can deny entirely- just like Teemo. If the picks themselves don't help, remember that an easy way out is to counter build. Build Mallet on any ranges so you can kite easier, or thornmail on melees so she takes as much (if not more) damage than you do during trades. Start with Doran's Shield if you are especially unsure.

Hope that helps. =)

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