Getting your champ banned is not a get out of jail free card.

Chill Vibez·Jul 9, 2017·171 votes·8,889 views

PSA: Just because someone accidentally (or even purposely) bans the champion you chose, it doesn't give you a free unpunished opportunity to cry and be toxic in pregame chat, and then troll in the actual game.

This has to be one of the most annoying things about the new champ select. Maybe this doesn't happen in high elo , but in low elo if anyone gets their champion banned by a teammate (especially a yasuo, or riven player), they feel like they are allowed to intentionally troll their team for the upcoming game, constantly saying "well you shouldn't have banned my champ"

....and the worst part about the whole thing is that you will hear teammates or enemy players saying "well dude u banned his champ." They actually support and understand this guy's trolling. I understand the playerbase on this game is probably young teenagers, but why do people encourage such childish behavior? There is around 140 other champions you can choose, and what about the other 3 teammates that didn't ban your champ? Fuck them right? It honestly reminds me of a child not getting the toy he wants at the store, and then throwing a temper tantrum in front of everyone.

Oh and one last thing , if you are one of these people who does this. Think about how dumb it is that instead of taking a 3 LP loss by dodging the game, you lose the full amount of LP, 20-30 minutes of your time upsetting innocent people you will probably never see again, and you will most likely be getting reported at the end... the logic.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

269 Comments

jyl12Jul 9, 2017100 votes

I don't get why you would ban someone else's champ, they want to play them for a reason. I believe that if you ban a teammates champ you are the troll, because you are the one that banned the champ they would play. I'm not saying that gives the person the right to troll but I'm just saying that you shouldn't ban someone else's champ.

EndlessSorcererJul 9, 201748 votes

Last pick hovers [OP FotM Champion].

Enemy team has first pick and will likely take [OP FotM Champion].

Solution: Ban [OP FotM Champion].

NaxzeroJul 9, 201710 votes

Honestly the person who hovered should know how to counter the champ so instead of being a dick to your team member just either explain why you want to ban it and see what they say and if not suck it up.

notice me Sin piJul 9, 20179 votes

that's true only if the person who hovered it is an actual [OP Fotm Champion] main. And in most cases, it's going to be someone who only plays FotM that changes based on the patch notes

EDIT: ofc it's important to respect a teammate's pick. I rather play with a teammate playing off-meta than a teammate who's about to tilt off the solar system. ~~i play too many off-meta supports myself, so im not rly in the right position to say that either~~ But that's not my point. Im arguing against the following quote

the person who hovered should know how to counter the champ

KaeblenJul 9, 201723 votes

##The more important point is that you should TALK to your teammate first. ######Type to your teammate first

If they give no answer, that's a bit of a drag, but you at least tried. If they do answer, you have a few seconds to talk it out, and they will at least know why you did what you did banning their champ. If you didn't even try to communicate with them, before banning their champ, you're still just being a ****.

I say this from the perspective of the guy whose champion got banned. (off meta champ... not a fotm champ)

I've had people who ban me and say nothing ahead of time, it's irritating, and they don't usually turn out to be good teammates.

I've also had my champ banned by a teammate who warned me first and explained why. he had good reasons, and I was able to make a better pick because of him. also a super nice guy in game.

The one time I remember banning my own allies champion, I did it by accident, and dodged before game started.

BLACK REALM GODJul 9, 20174 votes

these sort of tactics should be saved for when you're playing with a 5 man premade. not when youre playing with random players in solo/duo queue.

players need to stop trying to control others. if you dont allow people to fail then how will anyone succeed?

KaeblenJul 10, 20171 votes

players need to stop trying to control others. if you dont allow people to fail then how will anyone succeed?

totally agree.

these sort of tactics should be saved for when you're playing with a 5 man premade. not when youre playing with random players in solo/duo queue.

tactics like open communication and friendliness?

BLACK REALM GODJul 10, 20171 votes

no. open communication is fine. friendliness is great.

advanced tactics that require trust and cooperation however are too complex for random players. there's not enough time to build that relationship in champ select. you should keep those tactics in 5 man pre-mades. your team will be all the better for it.

HalcyonDwellerJul 10, 20172 votes

"Advanced tactics" is really vague, can you clarify what you mean by this?

Are you referring to OP FOTM picks? Because that doesn't seem like an advanced tactic to me.

And communicating with teammates about a pick or ban is a normal skill that everyone should use in every one of their champion selects.

BLACK REALM GODJul 11, 20171 votes

advanced tactics are things like requesting trades, sacrificing positions, irregular composition, mix matched lanes, lane interpretation, lane counter picking, lane rotations, jungle invasion, tower bait troll, etc.

anything you cant convey with a simple ping you shouldnt try to in solo/duo queue. just get in. get your champ. and carry. dont rely on the rest of the team to carry you - even if you're support. you need to play a support that will never die and be able to help anyone anywhere. shen and soraka come to mind.

with that explained the concept is clearer yes?

if you upset your ally by banning their champion you've already lost. if the opponents pick the champion first they've got no one to blame and will have to choose something else. they might even make a better pick than originally and your team might even be all the better for it.

HalcyonDwellerJul 11, 20171 votes

If a player has an "irregular composition" pick that they are good with and know how to win with, it's not a matter of teamwork or advanced tactics. It's a matter of picking their champion and just playing the game.

Teammates do not have a right to make the player do what they want, that's the player's freedom and you have no right to take it away.

BLACK REALM GODJul 11, 20171 votes

yeah. basically.

edit

of course when freedoms infringe upon one another that's where things get murky. that's why it's not definitive as far as some things go like banning your allies pick in champ select. i have the right to ban who i want. you have the right to play who you want. so in those instances it's first come first serve, but why hurt your chances of winning? it's just not sensible.

HalcyonDwellerJul 11, 20171 votes

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but why hurt your chances of winning? it's just not sensible.

This is exactly why I think it's important to talk to teammates before banning the champion they intend to pick. Banning it without talking to them first is extremely risky as they are probably going to tilt off the face of the earth and flame you for it.

If they're too busy seeing red to play with a clear head they are just going to make more mistakes and wind up feeding. And forcing the player to play a champion they don't know how to play will only make this worse.

BLACK REALM GODJul 12, 20172 votes

yes, but it's best to just not go into a solo/duo queue with the mindset that "im going to ban whoever i want to help my team win"

even if your ally agrees they're not going to be happy. it will upset the mood on your team and the ally will blame you for their champion getting banned. especially since they'll never know if the enemies would have picked that particular champion. just let it happen. you might end up pleasantly surprised.

My HeartshakerJul 9, 201723 votes

Agreed, it's kind of a dick move to ban someone's preselected champ even if they play yasuo or riven. I don't condone trolling but I can see why they did it.

DrCyanideJul 9, 201714 votes

I'm going to ban new/reworked champions in Ranked regardless of hovers. They should know better than to even hope to play a brand new champion in Ranked, Normals exists for a reason.

If someone bans my champion, big deal! It's literally no different than if the enemy team banned them. In both cases you move on to another choice and keep playing.

FenricsShieldJul 9, 201712 votes

Banning a team-mate's champion signals a lack of trust in your allies.

I would not play in a game where my team-mate says "Screw you, I don't believe you're making good choices" before the game even starts. If they don't trust you and are not willing to work with you then, do you really believe they will peel for you/follow up on your engages/gank your lane/etc?

If a person bans my champ, I will ask them why they did it. If they apologize, great! We've got a team player. Game continues. If they express distrust in my ability to play them and/or counter them if the enemy get them first, and claim they had a right to do it, that's an instadodge for me.

DrCyanideJul 9, 20177 votes

I'm not saying it should be common practice to ban an ally's hover, but I just don't see a reason to troll over it.

I respect you thinking it's a bad sign for things to come and dodging rather than trolling.

ElikainJul 9, 20175 votes

That trust needs to be earned through a number of games. Since in SQ you're all randos to each other, that trust isn't there because you didn't have the time to build it up.

Just because you're in the same ELO bracket, it doesn't mean that the other person is as competent as you. Likewise, it could also mean you're not as good of a player as they are. It goes both ways.

General Esdeath Jul 9, 20174 votes

Well if my last pick wants Zac I'm banning it because I don't want the enemy to grab it since they have first pick

sir d wreckJul 9, 20179 votes

Here is a scenario where I can see how this can happen though: Let's say I'm first pick, and I don't want the enemy to play Fizz, but someone on my team has Fizz intended. I don't own Fizz, so I can't trade him and if I'm first pick am I wrong to ban him?

Automated RivenJul 9, 20179 votes

Yes. Your being a dick. That being said there are arguments that aren't exactly wrong about high priority/overpowered picks. (fizz is neither) where last pick wants to play them and they can't be swapped with.

You banning out your teammates pick intent is telling him that he literally doesn't matter, in a team game. And as a one trick. (almost) getting banned out feels bad. But it feels 500x worse when your team bans you out.

AazzlanoJul 10, 20174 votes

if someone doesn't want to play against fizz, then they can just ban it. that's literally the purpose. if someone on their team has pick intent on fizz, that's LITERALLY AN EXAMPLE of one of the players they don't want to face. This is LITERALLY WHY that other player bans fizz. the existence of players like this is what makes people ban these champs. who is to say the enemy team doesn't have one of those too.

they can just play something else instead. if they can't, then it just proves the impact that the ban has on that player and they should learn something else as a backup.

Automated RivenJul 10, 20179 votes

Why is the hypothetical possibility of another player playing a champion more important then the 100% chance that your teammate wants to play him?

Fizz has a 4.6 percent play rate according to op.gg, So that means that 1 out of 20 games you will actually see him played in yours. So mathematically speaking the odds of someone on your team wanting to play fizz and someone on the other team wanting to play fizz almost never happends. So realistically you are banning a champion based on a possibility that only happends 1 in like 300 or 400 games.

ShahamutJul 9, 20173 votes

Pretty much this. The thing is, no one is right here. No one.

Everyone has to look at it from their own perspective, because you are the only one in control of you:

"Do I ban this champion even though someone is showing it on my team? Do I risk upsetting him and me trolling?"

is just as important as:

"Someone banned my champion... is it worth my time to play this game, troll, or even just lose, instead of dodging? Do I have another champion I can play this time?"

420 gramsJul 9, 201729 votes

"Hmm, this person banned my main. I better play the champion they wanted to please them instead" -no one ever.

Just don't ban your team mates pick. Ban their counter picks if you're worried about it. Banning their pick is just going to create more hostility than them playing it.

Livid BiscuitJul 10, 201720 votes

I would agree with you here if it weren't for the fact that I had someone ban my champion for an entirely bullshit reason.

I picked my boy, Velkoz who is for all intents and purposes my "main", and the champion I consistently do well with, regardless of victory or defeat. One of my teammates decided that he gets to dictate who's skilled or not at a champion, and bans Vel'Koz. I was understandably frustrated by this, since again, he's my main, and I was going mid that game. I ask the guy why he banned my champion, and he tells me "You're Bronze" (I'm not. I'm technically unranked, and was Silver 4 this past season, and one season prior.) I asked him what difference that makes, and explained that Vel is my main, to which he tells me, "You're Bronze. Bronzes don't have mains."

Needless to say, this guy is what is wrong with the League community. It's no wonder people get pissed off when assholes like this exist, and are allowed to keep doing shit like this. I took the que dodge penalty, even though I shouldn't have had to, all because some dipstick believed he gets to dictate a player's skill level solely by looking at their statistics. Statistics do not determine skill level, especially when you've never played with that person.

So while I agree it's wrong to troll in-game just because some asshat banned your champion, it's still not cool for these types of players to be allowed to troll in champ select, and be douchebags to their team, while receiving zero penalties or punishments for toxic behavior. I'd like to see a report feature added in champ select for this very reason, as trolling and such can and does take place outside of the actual game in progress, just as much as it does during a game.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 9, 201719 votes

Conversely: DO NOT FUCKING BAN YOUR TEAMMATE'S PICK

Seriously. There is literately no reason to. Oh, they have a sub 50 win rate on them? Who the fuck cares? It is NEVER, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, YOUR decision as to what THEY play.

You didn't see it? Bull. Fucking. Shit. The icon is greyed out. It has a banner over it saying who picked it. There's a big-ass icon next to their name.

I don't fucking care if it's Tyler fucking one who's going to play Singed support with smite. #DO. NOT. FUCKING. BAN. YOUR. TEAMMATE'S. PICK.

I don't care if it's AP Riven mid. #DO. NOT. FUCKING. BAN. YOUR. TEAMMATE'S. PICK. I don't care if it's AP Yasuo jungle #DO. NOT. FUCKING. BAN. YOUR. TEAMMATE'S. PICK. Your number of excuses is always less than their win rate on that campion minus their win rate on that champion. Meaning: You have literately no excuse. Ever.

They are not RIGHT for inting if you ban their pick, but they sure as hell have the right to be pissed. As soon as you intentionally ban your teammate's pick, your team is automatically in the right for considering you to be a troll, feeder, and general asshole. You just took away what is probably someone's main. Therefore: They now are absolutely certain to have a lower chance of winning. [A hint: Intentionally hurting your team's chance to win via any means beyond an A-meta pick is called "Griefing" or "Feeding". That's a reportable offense. Typically, people are given 14-day bans for those things.]

tl;dr: while you should never feed for a teammate banning your pick (up to 3 bystanders on your team, and 5 on the enemy team, so a total of 8 innocents you can fuck over, _ and two wrongs don't make a right_)... #IT. IS. NOT. ACCEPTABLE. TO. FUCKING. BAN. YOUR. TEAMMATE'S. PICK.

AazzlanoJul 10, 20175 votes

it might not be your decision what they play, but you certainly have a decision in what you don't want played in your match. if someone doesn't want to play with or against a certain champ, they have the right to ban it. deal with it

if you have problems with this, try learning another champ. there's like 140+ in the game atm. if you can only play OP champs that are usually banned, then you should try getting good at the game instead and playing something not usually banned. if you play something that doesn't usually get banned, but gets banned in your games (from your team), you are the problem.

not sure why you think you should support someone playing AP riven or AP yasuo jungle. those kinds of things themselves should be bannable, especially in ranked. (disclaimer: this is coming from someone in an elo where these things just don't work, maybe they work in your elo but either way it should not be supported)

if someone is banning something someone picked just to be a douche, well, the thing is that they probably deserve to be banned for ANOTHER reason besides that (likely is extremely toxic in game) and these people cannot be reasoned with, so there's no point trying. but in general, there are a lot of reasons why you might ban a teammates pick legitimately. they might not like it, but it is what it is.

Automated RivenJul 10, 201711 votes

The ban function is not, and has never been a tool to corral your own teammates. It for banning out counters to your teamcomp or strong champions that your team does not intend to play. This what what is was created for, and what it has always been used for outside of assholes who want to troll their teammates. Riot did not ever say *lets create this super cool tool that allows people to say 'fuck you' to teammates who want to play something that you dont want them to play'.

CitavistaJul 9, 201717 votes

If you ban my champion I don't really care but I do think you're an asshole.

If you ban someone else on our teams champ and he locks in some terrible champ and runs it down mid I'm still blaming you for it, because chances are if the enemy banned his pick he wouldn't be trolling, but no, one of his own teammates banned him out. Also the whole special attention given to Yasuo and Riven players makes it pretty easy to see why people who play those champs are toxic, because they get treated like garbage by their own teams.

I've personally experience the pain that comes with having a bad game on Yasuo plenty of times since I'm not that good with him despite playing with him a lot. On other champs it's a dice roll on whether someone will flame me for playing bad, on Yasuo if I play bad there's no chance that I won't be flamed by at least one member of my team telling me how dog shit I am at the game and typing shit in all chat like "this yas" "this is why I ban yas" the whole fucking game.

So no surprise people who main those champs are quick to get angry as fuck at a teammate. Also don't act like the other three people are always innocent little angels. The amount of games I've been flamed and no one came to my defense are countless. If I decided to troll after getting flamed I'm sure those same people would all call for reports in all chat.

SanctimoniousJul 9, 201714 votes

If you ban my champion, i'll just silently select nunu. No fuss, but understand you banned my champion.

PePsiLemoNNJul 9, 20173 votes

I get what you're saying but isn't Nunu one of the better junglers now? x)

Handin Out NapsJul 9, 201712 votes

How do you jungle with ghost and clarity though?

3TWarriorJul 10, 20173 votes

you get a time machine, as clarity no longer exists T.T

SanctimoniousJul 10, 20174 votes

Its rageblade on hit nunu because i'm a Kayle one trick. :)

Brain Errör 404Jul 9, 201714 votes

While it doesn't give anyone a get out of jail free card or a "right" to troll, it gives them a motif. If you find fuel to throw in a troll machine, the troll will start moving.

PePsiLemoNNJul 9, 201714 votes

Think about how dumb it is that instead of taking a 3 LP loss by dodging the game, you lose the full amount of LP,

Think about how dumb it is to ban his pick

Automated RivenJul 9, 20176 votes

In addition. If he runs it down mid then you lose lp too. It's called punishing you for being a dick. The only reason I don't think it's acceptable behavior is because 3 innocent people get screwed over as well. But if it was a 2v2 game. I would never ever report for it.

Sugar MommaJul 9, 201713 votes

If you ban someone else's champ accidentally, you should apologize and dodge (unless they are okay with it).

Automated RivenJul 9, 20175 votes

100% this.

Handin Out NapsJul 9, 201712 votes

The worst thing you can do to a team mate is ban their pick intentionally. If you want to be a dick then don't cry if he ints.

SalsonJul 9, 20178 votes

There is a mayor difference between understanding and supporting this type of behavior.

I understand the feeling of satisfaction at screwing over the asshole who banned my champ, but don't support it because it also screws 3 innocent people in the process.

notice me Sin piJul 9, 20178 votes

i dont troll for having my champ banned, but i will not be taking the game seriously either regardless of how many times LoL boards can downvote me; i treat the game as a norm mode in that case, it helps with champ select tilting a lot tbh

r4ndomkillJul 10, 20174 votes

i mean if someone bans my pick im just gonna play some weird shit from my normal games like karthus jungle or yasuo support.

Yordle XayahJul 9, 20177 votes

"Oh you banned my champion by accident? Well now I'm gonna pick Gangplank Support and while I won't feed, I'm gonna do my best to take your CS and ult the wave you're trying to farm to teach you a valuable lesson about life"

The Darius KingJul 10, 20176 votes

While this is annoying to me as a darius main my team bans dar way to often for my liking but I main top so im capible of playing multiple tops instead of whining about it