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@Meddler What's Lulu's state right now in botlane ?

Farm Mana·10/23/2016, 8:16:09 PM·20 votes·2,257 views

With the Assassin Update coming soon, I predict peel/disengage supports such as Janna, Lulu, Braum or even Thresh will be strategic picks to protect the ADC, the most vulnerable preys.

But at the same time, as a Lulu main, I feel she's a bit surpassed by all the ranged supports, either by their damages (Zyra, Karma, Vel'Koz, Brand ...) or even their utility (the ones I mentionned before).

At the same time, Lulu has undeniable strengths in teamfights. I just feel her laning phase is really disappointing :

she becomes oom really fast
she needs to get Windspeaker's blessing from becoming useless in mid game so she loses poke
but her ult doesn't stack with it, that means she needs to max E first so that Lulu becomes way more passive (such as Janna, which is boring for Lulu's such huge kit).

I ignore your view on this, but I'm impatient to know it ! Is it possible to just reaffirm Lulu's real identity in botlane ? :)

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Lulu_3.jpg

32 Comments

Athenes Lulu10/23/2016, 8:42:24 PM7 votes

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But at the same time, as a Lulu main, I feel she's a bit surpassed by all the ranged supports, either by their damages (Zyra, Karma, Vel'Koz, Brand ...)

Because she isn't supposed to be high damage with this much utility.

or even their utility (the ones I mentionned before).

Her kit is like a Swiss Army knife, it is supposed to do almost everything but excel at none.

she becomes oom really fast

Mana regen runes and "controlled" mana usage would solve that. Giving her more room to spam would become as unbearable as Zyra lanes, if anything. On top of tough teamfights? It's already good enough as of now. Don't forget about how available mana regen items are for supports.

she needs to get Windspeaker's blessing from becoming useless in mid game so she loses poke

but her ult doesn't stack with it, that means she needs to max E first so that Lulu becomes way more passive (such as Janna, which is boring for Lulu's such huge kit).

Honestly she's fine right now, it's more on the players who don't even know what's called "pick and choose allies/enemies for decisive yet reactive buffs", and play Lulu like Janna/Karma and wonder why she sucks as a support.

Athene's was already THE personal gift from Riot in the MYMU, even Redemption is gonna be amazing on her, and don't forget about her W buffs that gave her MORE decisive options to play. However, I won't mind if Riot changed her ult so that it counts as healing as well, though the biggest tradeoff would be grievous wounds effective (gotta make it fair).

Duke of Sloths10/24/2016, 4:53:34 AM5 votes

They did a good job with the W attack speed buff, giving Lulu a clear strength where she stands out. Lulu's niche is that she's a great peeling support that offers on-hit benefits. She has good synergy with auto attack focused adcs like Ashe, Trist, Cait, Kog, etc.

For example her passive at level 9 does 57 on hit damage, if all the bolts land. That's really devastating for a level 9 all in and the passive sticks for 6 seconds. So in 6 seconds if you get 6 autos off, that's 342 magic damage. Her passive's strength is so good but it comes in small doses so people dont really notice.

That all being said, Lulu is food for junglers if she gets caught. She does poorly vs ranged supports who are very good right now like Nami, Zyra, Sona etc. Also champs she does best with are out of meta or dont need the excessive safety. That doesn't mean Lulu cant do well with MF or Jhin, or that she cant save you from an Orianna Shockwave. But she does much better when she's shutting down assassins and divers, while also buffing up on-hit carries instead of caster carries.

Lulu could just be fine, they could leave her alone and I guarantee if all the stars aligned and melee supports + diver/assassins were common and somehow on hit adcs were the best, she would show up. However that isn't the case right now.

Does she need buffs? Maybe or maybe not. She's just not the best meta support around.

Could she be better in the way her kit presented itself as the "on hit" support? Absolutely.

Clint Orris10/24/2016, 7:28:11 AM2 votes

As a lulu main, I think that she is a very very good support. Building, Athenes with Ardent sensor and having windspeakers blessing takes her over the top. Enemies always underestimate her and end up paying for it.

Breaku10/24/2016, 1:09:59 AM2 votes

Try her with Armor reds and yellows and defensive masteries, then she can offtank like a melee support early while still benefiting from range when she needs it. It works well for me!

HazyCloud710/24/2016, 3:35:22 AM2 votes

I think the utility her kit provides is useful regardless of what keystone she takes. She has a very good slow, a shield, a speed up, the ability to grant on hit damage to an ally, an ult that grants health + knockup, and last but not least her polymorph which is one the absolute best tools in the entire game to deal with bruisers and assassins.

They need to buff her core strengths without making mid lane lulu viable, because mid lane lulu is truly cancer to play against.

SpecterVonBaren10/24/2016, 2:31:00 AM1 votes

She's too short range. She's supposed to be a poke support in the early game but unless you're just burning through your mana with spells, getting in range to use your passive with autos is also the range for any tanky engage support or burst ADC to murder you and your autos just don't hurt enough to warrant that risk.

Grey6410/24/2016, 6:13:31 AM1 votes

As a Lulu main I feel like she is fine right now and like hazy said I use to mid lulu and its kinda stupid how its impossible to kill her unless you three man dive her and god forbid adc lulu.

MunchCrunchLunch10/24/2016, 8:36:55 AM1 votes

from what i see. lulu is garbage. tier support. i haven't seen a lulu do well in bot lane in so long. lulu used to be a better karma. or karma used to be a worse lulu. now its the other way around. lulu has less range and shes too squishy.

Sailor Mint10/23/2016, 8:28:11 PM1 votes

Lulu's itemization is getting a strict buff in Season 7.

Locket no long being mandatory means you can spend that Gold on AP/Mana/CDR items.
Chalice Passive granting extra Health regen should help her survive sustain/poke lanes.
AP Support items are cheaper and have gotten buffed (Athene's and Ardent Censer).
Lulu's mana regen is fine as long as you're allowed to build some mana regen items.

You shouldn't be getting Windspeaker's Blessing outside of losing lanes.

MorrisseyMarr10/24/2016, 1:50:20 PM1 votes

honestly wish they'd just give her waveclear back let her be primary mid

As a supp she's almost just worse Janna

Lulu is such a scaling champ unless you dominate you never come out as useful as other supports, too gold dependent

not that she can't be amazing as a supp I just don't see her ever being top tier as one

Rivuo10/23/2016, 9:05:15 PM1 votes

lulu is hands down the most oppressive support. She needs nerfs not buffs

Swarovsko10/24/2016, 12:11:18 AM1 votes

I used to play her a lot in the top lane back in S5 and in early S6. Then Riot changed the W and the Q trying to make Lulu support more viable and now she's basically garbage wheter top or support.

A Dizzy Lulu10/24/2016, 12:29:30 AM1 votes

It's "get outclassed by everyone and wonder why I picked lulu support"

JerulEon10/24/2016, 2:09:14 AM1 votes

One time I trash talked a Lulu as thresh. I kinda regret that now that I'm reminded at how weak she is. Poor champ just got needed over and over and the buffs barely made a difference.