Kled has an AD shield

OurLestrade·Jul 27, 2016·2 votes·1,773 views

I just realised. Didn't Riot say that the AD shield on Riven was a dumb idea? :O

36 Comments

Sahn UzalJul 27, 20165 votes

Riven's E is a basic ability and spamable. Kled's R is not.

Weiner the PoohJul 27, 20161 votes

Kled's R also can't miss and does 50% max hp. Kled's is by far more op.

Sahn UzalJul 27, 20163 votes

First off, try missing a Riven E :l Ofcourse Kleds ultimate is stronger than Rivens E... Its a goddamn ultimate.

Weiner the PoohJul 27, 20162 votes

Kled's is just an absurd amount. 400+300% bonus ad? yeah they're is no bursting that. But he sure can burst you. This cancer champ is literally the epitome of no counterplay. Mobility creep ✓ insane damage ✓ tons of chase ✓ untargetability ✓ %max hp dmg ✓ undodgeable ult ✓ insanely tanky yet insane damage? ✓.

Sahn UzalJul 27, 20163 votes

We're already complaining about champions that aren't even live yet?

Weiner the PoohJul 27, 20161 votes

Yup. This design is complete cancer. Whoever designed him should be ashamed and should never again be allowed to design a champ.

Sahn UzalJul 27, 20162 votes

I'm not even going to argue with you right now, the Champion's not even out yet. Way too soon to draw conclusions imo.

Weiner the PoohJul 27, 20161 votes

yeah i'm a bit too overly salty, sorry about that. It's just, everything of him on the PBE is just busted. I have yet to see a Kled lose on PBE. He just has too much going for him. And come on, 800 hp at level 1? How is that fair?

RalanrJul 27, 20161 votes

He'll probably get his numbers adjusted.

Sahn UzalJul 27, 20163 votes

I have yet to see a Kled lose on PBE

What if it's a Kled mirror matchup? :^)

In seriousness tho, he seems quite strong but PBE games are often people of different ranks thrown together. When we watch a Redmercy or Pants are Dragon Video, they are quite likely to stomp...

Also, remember Illaoi? And how everyone thought she was gonna be OP as fuck? Remember how aweful she actually was? :P

DeathBurstJul 27, 20161 votes

He's supposed to be a Skirmisher. I.e. the same class of champion as Yasuo/Riven/Fiora/Master Yi and to a lesser extent Graves/Vayne.

All of them looks overloaded and OP as hell. That's the class which creates that, but more often than not, it's just an appearance and they are not so OP.

Weiner the PoohJul 27, 20161 votes

I get what you mean, but Fiora/Riven/Yi theyre all squishy. Kled is tanky as fuck. Honestly im not sure what they were thinking other than copying Dva.

DeathBurstJul 27, 20161 votes

Kled has more innate Tankyness than the others, but they all have tools to survive in a fight. Riven has her shield, Yasuo his windwall and passive shield, Yi his blink and damage reduction, Fiora her Riposte, and they are all pretty mobile and hard to pin down. Kled isn't worse than them, except maybe his numbers are a bit high due to the lack of data to properly balance him yet.

Zero Skill TankJul 27, 20161 votes

800 hp at lvl 1 on a skirmisher is the part that worries me. This sounds super-scary on toplane, especially when, if I understand correctly, with ONLY his Q leveled he could deal 75 + 180% bAD ability damage, and than when you unmount him, further 108 + 288% bAD. Scaling is crazy, and with that much HP at lvl 1 he could freely start heavily AD-oriented rune page, making his lvl 1 even stronger than Darius. You can't duel that, you will get zoned from farm completely.

This lvl 1 sounds MAD, especially because beartrap on a rope passess through minions...

AD shield on ult is like... whatever.

Weiner the PoohJul 27, 20161 votes

yeah especially on melees hes going to be hell to fight.

CppLJul 27, 20161 votes

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We're already complaining about champions that aren't even live yet?

I looked at his numbers ,and they look prety broken.I mean all his Spells has prety big ad scaling ,at lvl 1 he will have like 740 hp.his ultimate can do about 50% of your maximum hp.Thats insane numbers.

DeathBurstJul 27, 20161 votes

I don't know if it will work as intended, but he has pretty huge ratios and lowish bases to force him to build damage and not full Tank. That's the reasoning, at least.

WoonStruckJul 27, 20161 votes

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I don't know if it will work as intended, but he has pretty huge ratios and lowish bases to force him to build damage and not full Tank. That's the reasoning, at least.

Unfortunately, though, he has two sources of %HP damage, so he's likely to build somewhat tanky as far as armor/MR goes. He'll probably be a repeat of Graves.

DeathBurstJul 27, 20161 votes

That's a ridiculous comment.

Let's make a champ which deals only %HP damage. Now, let's say his base damage is 0.5% MaxHP, and his scaling is 10% MaxHP / 25 AD. What will you build on him? AD, obviously.

%HP damage isn't some kind of magic that makes you deal huge damage whatever the numbers... There is still a base and a scaling, and the base can be low, even if it's in %.

WoonStruckJul 27, 20161 votes

Except Kled isn't that kind of champ.

Relative to base damages without any AD:

His Q has a base 375 damage.

His W has 8% max HP.

His R has a base of 18%.

I'd say its extremely likely that he's making use of many of the AD+HP/MR items in the game, along with a sheen item + sunfire to let him be a relatively tanky threat while mounted via E resets and such, while also letting him deal extremely good damage via scaling whether he's mounted or not. Its very easy to get 150 bonus AD while being deceptively hard to kill. That's plenty of scaling for him to end up ridiculous.

Tell me again why he won't be building somewhat like Graves was and why saying that is ridiculous?

You expect him to go full tilt on AD when he'll be in the middle of a teamfight?

He's going to work one of two ways:

He can sustain in fights unmounted long enough to end up mounted again, in which case he'll build almost exactly like Graves.

He can't sustain in fights reliably unmounted, so he builds around being mounted in order to maximize the time that he's mounted, in which case he's much more likely to build one or two AD items (probably ghostblade+cleaver/Maw), then tank (HP included).

DeathBurstJul 27, 20161 votes

Tell me again why he won't be building somewhat like Graves was and why saying that is ridiculous?

Well, now you're talking actual amounts, and regarding the actual numbers, I said in my very first post that "I don't know if it will work as intended." So, no I won't say it again.

But saying "he has %HP (whatever the amount) HENCE he can build tanky", that was ridiculous.

LSmaster16Jul 27, 20161 votes

Just a few points:

The ult shield charges up over time, if he uses it point blank he doesn't get a huge shield
Mobility is ult and two dashes where the second dash has to go through the first target hit and is on a decent CD. (14-10 seconds, for comparison, ekko e is 11-7 seconds and there are even more mobile champions out there.) Also, ult mobility is pretty similar to what you get from a sion ult.
Untargetability is for about a second, standing still, and clear about when he goes untargetable.
You can stack armor to deal with the %max health damage
Before you complain about the health/damage numbers give them a chance to sit on the pbe. (Though the base health and bear trap damage is looking too high atm.)

Weiner the PoohJul 27, 20161 votes

Alright and allow me to give a few points as well.

His untargetability is unfair, even if it is only a second. It means he can't be bursted during that, it eats into time from say a Fiora ult or something, and most importantly that makes it bullshit is that it drops turret aggro and all cc. That means when Kled dives you(and he easily can) once he kills tower and tower hits his mount, if there are minions there, hes getting out free.
His mobility would only be 6 seconds at max cdr and that is really really easy to achieve with every item currently giving cdr. The ult follows and is impossible to miss unlike Sion ult, but his still cc's just like a Sion ult but his also helps out his allies and gives him a god damn shield. Not to mention his ult basically half shots any squishy. With only 3 damage items his ult is doing 50% of someones HP.
the double health bars is for sure bullshit, Fuck that noise, that is so unfair, to anyone. Straight up, no champ should get to have that much HP at level 1. Not to mention even if you do get him knocked off he still has ANOTHER fucking escape, that can be used twice in a short time. Not to mention he gains bonus range when hes small, so he can easily kite you and get his mount back and turn on you and kill you. They need to increase the courage cost, right now it is far too small. Its too forgiving for Kled and not at all for his opponent.

LSmaster16Jul 27, 20161 votes

The only part that can't be planned around is when tower diving and that's something riot should change at some point (fizz).
6 seconds is with max CDR and max rank which would be at level 13 or 18 probably. Also, I was talking about the mobility on sion ult, not everything else. Kled ult can path around walls, sion ult can be turned to some extent. Compare this to kassadin, vayne, riven, ekko, or fiora.
Like I said, numbers can change. Also, while dismounted he has 25 more range then kench, 285 base move speed, and two tiny dashes along with 340-1530 health.

Photos of GhostsJul 27, 20162 votes

They never said that.

Mr Broken WingsJul 27, 20162 votes

Riot never said an ad scaling shield is a bad idea. I mean ap scaling shields work as well on many champions, in which way is an ad scaling any different?

RalanrJul 27, 20161 votes

What is his AD shield?

Sahn UzalJul 27, 20161 votes

his ultimate

RalanrJul 27, 20161 votes

Good to know.

Photos of GhostsJul 27, 20161 votes

On ult, it loads up with time.

RalanrJul 27, 20161 votes

Ahh. Ok.

WoonStruckJul 27, 20161 votes

Haven't you learned that almost anything Riot's said doesn't apply to the future Riot's decisions?

Titanium125Jul 27, 20161 votes

Can I just say the shield lasts 2 seconds after his ult hits something? 2 seconds on a shield that's that big is balanced to a extent

LuggJul 27, 20161 votes

Anytime a champ can build pure damage and get tankier it's a horrible idea. Make people chose to be a glass cannon or sacrifice some damage to be tanky.