Can Lee get any sort of ward compensation?

IDEMO NA MUDA··2 votes·1,309 views

I mean, Lee Sin can be useful, and he was useful but then you decided to ruin him entirely. Just because vision on the map on PRO PLAY was too much you decided to take out Sightstone and Tracker's Knife which destroyed him. Yeah, he's still "okay" but he is not even near as he used to be. Removing Sightstone was fine, cause ward support item was a good compensation for it. But tracker's knife? Lee Sin was depending so badly on Tracker's Knife and his wards that it was one of the (almost) core items for his build in all ways of building lee. Regardless if its tank or AD. It just feel terrible to play him now when his main mobility got absolutely deleted from the game. And wards are on fairly 60-120 seconds which is HUGE for a lee sin to gank or make any proper map pressure ( if played in jungle, and to be fair, where else would you play lee ) I just wish there was any sort of compensation for one of the biggest nerfs he got. Ult damage nerf and all other things are nothing compared to this. And yeah, Q range buff is nothing comparing to what he used to be with his ward jumps

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Dead flag blues2 votes

Not like he got a recent buff on his Q a few patches ago...

IDEMO NA MUDA1 votes

I pointed his Q buff out at the end of the script. Read everything before making a comment like this.

jocomotion1 votes

Don’t forget that MASSIVE damage increase to his ultimate after trackers was taken out

Oleandervine1 votes

The fact that you believe Lee Sin is dependent on an item to have a functional kit speaks profoundly to how bad of a design his kit is that he will get dumpstered without it.

Lee Sin was a dominant jungle pick for many seasons. I say let him have his balls clipped for now until they rework his kit to no longer rely on ward hopping. I mean hell, they've done it to Katarina, so it's only a matter of time.

IDEMO NA MUDA1 votes

I disagree with you about his kit. I find his kit quite enjoyable but Riot just can't make up their minds. They are going from one edge to the other one. From making him broken with his ult damage and usual ward hops and lethality items to almost useless trash pick now without anything. No sightstones, no tracker's knife. Nothing. Just useless

Oleandervine1 votes

Disagree all you want, but it's horrendously bad kit design when something that's not even a part of the kit, like wards, determines the power of the champion. No champions' kit should be so utterly reliant on specific game elements that exist outside of the kit in order to be playable. If a situation like that exists, such as here, that means the kit is heavily flawed and poorly designed, and it's been using crutches instead of standing on it's own. If Lee Sin can't stand on his own two feet and be a functional champion without wards, the aspects of hit kit that rely on wards need to be gutted and remade so that he no longer has to use outside elements as a crutch.

IDEMO NA MUDA1 votes

Can agree on that when you put it that way. I just liked his kit and the play style he used back when wards were a thing

Hammermancer1 votes

three words

Essence

Reaver

Rework

IDEMO NA MUDA1 votes

Can you send a link or describe it? I've not checked the incoming changes

Hammermancer1 votes

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Can you send a link or describe it? I've not checked the incoming changes

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2018/05/52-pbe-update-new-summoner-icon.html

its in the item reworks for ADCs, it's more geared for like.. ezreal/lucian but they removed crit and created something very sexy for the spell+auto weaving ad fighters

IDEMO NA MUDA1 votes

Well, I've checked all but this Ryze update got my full attention Kinda feels like he's getting back to meta

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