Playing reverted lb made me realize

CrazFight ·Apr 19, 2018·69 votes·18,486 views

How horrible the assassin rework was.

Thank you for bringing her back(She is actually fun to play now!), but I must say thank god that class reworks aren't happening anymore.

124 Comments

Ben SharpioApr 19, 201838 votes

shes fun to play as and STILL cancer to play against so how did they accomplish anything ?

CrazFight Apr 19, 201840 votes

Its alot better than being un fun to play and cancerous to play against. ?

Heckin SupportApr 19, 201817 votes

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Its alot better than being un fun to play and cancerous to play against. ?

At first, I agreed, but then I remembered playing against a Rengar not too long ago... The cancer is strong.

CrazFight Apr 19, 201810 votes

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At first, I agreed, but then I remembered playing against a Rengar not too long ago... The cancer is strong.

This is a lb thread.. not rengar?

Corrupt BlissApr 19, 201815 votes

The point is both feel terrible to play against regardless of how fun or unfun they are to play. IMO anything that one shots from invisibility is obnoxious.

ExternalLinkApr 19, 20182 votes

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The point is both feel terrible to play against regardless of how fun or unfun they are to play. IMO anything that one shots from invisibility is obnoxious.

So can we delete Twitch then?

ShablagooApr 19, 20181 votes

Which i think is his point he is saying at least they are now fun for their mains, because they where still cancer when reworked. Also I dont think assassins will ever be non-cancer, tbh its in their nature to be.

RecessHeroApr 20, 20182 votes

And our point is, we would rather have them be weak, not played and unfun if their only "fun" play pattern is assassinating their target from invisibility.

ShablagooApr 20, 20181 votes

You wanna know why assassins are so annoying to you, because you guys constantly push lanes alone without thinking "oh wait I dont see any assassins on the map they might come and kill me" They have counterplay to their kits it just the you guys refuse to use it. Also an assasins only able to kill high priority targets, like only thats the only thing they are good at. That is their contribution to the team, if a assasin is behind they are useless. Yet every other role offers more then them. SO ofc they are going to be able to kill you fast cuz thats all they can do.

Attticus FinchApr 20, 20181 votes

It sounds like Riot shouldn't make champions whose only possible job is to kill other champions, then.

ShablagooApr 20, 20181 votes

Because ppl get salty and cry on the boards about it? That isnt a reason to not have it, assassins are a different play style ofc ur gonna hate it, I hate how janna and lulu can literally negate everything and how certain tanks are cc bots. Supports only role is to support their team what is wrong with a champion being able to assassinate high priority targets with counterplay? And there is counterplay ppl just refuse to use it.

Attticus FinchApr 21, 20182 votes

Because the champion ends up being impossible to balance and spends its life-time alternating between gutted and useless or overpowered garbage.

LB was changed because her design pre-rework was trash. "Y-you just didn't know how to play against her!" is a pathetic straw man. Riot doesnt balance their game around low ELO nor do they balance it around the boards. They make decisions around high ELO and pro-play, and she was as much an issue there as she was in bronze.

ShablagooApr 21, 20181 votes

But they are balanced the counterplay is do not let them get an early game lead. If it wasnt for the constant buffs to compensate for supports being so strong they would be in the situation they were now. And for the biggest time certain assassin had shit winrates too it was till after the rework till certain assassin became so much of a problem

Examples, Kat even though her daggers are telegraphed she is still a nightmare in every elo. Fizz is a monster, Kha is worse after the rework, rengar was too, and so was LB. The assassin update accomplished nothing, it didnt actually add counterplay. If you were pushing alone and rengar ults to you have more time to run away? He still catches you because of the duration and the movespeed buff. What will a adc do against fizz if flash is down. LB was so oppressive after the rework they had to gutt her till she was garbo, so she was even worse to balance after the rework. A class shouldnt be removed because they succeed in a mode. I guess we should nerf poke mages and adc in aram because they have such a huge advatange. Soloq is the same ppl suck at palying as a team which assassin thrive on, I love that Riot is trying to bring back the solo carry aspect that was ruined by bot lane.

The Bad TouchApr 30, 20181 votes

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But they are balanced the counterplay is do not let them get an early game lead. If it wasnt for the constant buffs to compensate for supports being so strong they would be in the situation they were now. And for the biggest time certain assassin had shit winrates too it was till after the rework till certain assassin became so much of a problem

Examples, Kat even though her daggers are telegraphed she is still a nightmare in every elo. Fizz is a monster, Kha is worse after the rework, rengar was too, and so was LB. The assassin update accomplished nothing, it didnt actually add counterplay. If you were pushing alone and rengar ults to you have more time to run away? He still catches you because of the duration and the movespeed buff. What will a adc do against fizz if flash is down. LB was so oppressive after the rework they had to gutt her till she was garbo, so she was even worse to balance after the rework. A class shouldnt be removed because they succeed in a mode. I guess we should nerf poke mages and adc in aram because they have such a huge advatange. Soloq is the same ppl suck at palying as a team which assassin thrive on, I love that Riot is trying to bring back the solo carry aspect that was ruined by bot lane.

Kat isn't a monster in any elo From Bronze to Plat. Her win rate varies from 47-49%. She's one of the weakest mid laners. She's easy to burst, up Ulti is useless vs anyone with a brain and can't deal with tanks late game in a meta where everyone plays 2-3 tanks.

ShablagooMay 1, 20181 votes

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/katarina/middle/platinum check elo the lowest is 49 in bronze which is basically 50%. She isnt weak and she by no means the weakest maybe you suck with her or something becuase she has been one of the strongest soloq assassin for a while now. She shouldnt be good against tanks no assassin should be.

The Bad TouchMay 2, 20181 votes

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https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/katarina/middle/platinum check elo the lowest is 49 in bronze which is basically 50%. She isnt weak and she by no means the weakest maybe you suck with her or something becuase she has been one of the strongest soloq assassin for a while now. She shouldnt be good against tanks no assassin should be.

49% isn't basically 50%.

It's 49%

That's below average.

She's not even strong for an assassin. She's actually one of the worst assassins at the moment.

Andrey0345Apr 19, 20183 votes

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Its alot better than being un fun to play and cancerous to play against. ?

Same as shaco tbh... Well, he was a victim of assassin rework, so yea..

WolfeurApr 19, 201838 votes

Now try playing against reverted Leblanc to realize why the assassin rework was needed

BeatzBoyFTWApr 19, 20183 votes

Double point & click QR and one W, POOF, there goes 80% of your HP.

statelesskillerApr 19, 20188 votes

WQRW i REALLY didnt miss this leblanc in any capacity

5050BSApr 19, 20182 votes

Yep Riots memory is VERY short

Spank the FoxApr 19, 201820 votes

Yep the community’s memory is very short*

SpecterVonBarenApr 20, 20185 votes

Holy shit thank you for letting me know I'm not the only one that sees this hypocritical whining for what it is.

The Bad TouchApr 19, 201823 votes

An assassin that sucks at farming, but is good at assassinating.

Welcome to season 1-5. Fucking love it.

If only they revert Swain/Galion/Jax/Vlad... ect ect.. League might be fun again.

Lets also remove Static shiv/Rapidfire/Jungle Items/Botrk/new runes/ect and it would be perfect.

CrazFight Apr 19, 201813 votes

Ye giving Leblanc wave clear was a horrid idea, i can't believe that ever got through.

Craft ZeppelinApr 19, 20189 votes

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Ye giving Leblanc wave clear was a horrid idea, i can't believe that ever got through.

Ricklessabandon at his finest. Not having a damn clue what his project is.

VinnieVegaApr 19, 201815 votes

Revert... Jax? Can I see a link to his rework reveal page? Also NOBODY played old Galio because he was 110% flash reliant, he's vastly better off now. No offense but you don't seem very knowledgeable about this game.

MhihnjApr 19, 201811 votes

revert jax to beta so that he can dive fountains again. lol

SooFr0styApr 19, 20181 votes

I wonder how hexflash or whatever it's called would work with old Galio.

Witch of BabylonApr 19, 20186 votes

Everyone would just run away

CrazFight Apr 19, 20185 votes

Na revert yorick, im def not a bias old yorick main :^)

HarrowRApr 19, 20185 votes

Swain rework is in my opinion the best rework so far,and i hate most of them anyway,he now just looks so good and is the only mage i actually love to play now since S1

Sp33d Zer0Apr 19, 20182 votes

Idk Warwick is pretty good

Spank the FoxApr 19, 20183 votes

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An assassin that sucks at farming, but is good at assassinating.

Welcome to season 1-5. Fucking love it.

If only they revert Swain/Galion/Jax/Vlad... ect ect.. League might be fun again.

Lets also remove Static shiv/Rapidfire/Jungle Items/Botrk/new runes/ect and it would be perfect.

Haha yeah change is bad xd

What the fuck are you talking about with Jax? He hasn’t been changed at all, let alone in the manner that Swain and Galio has been.

LDG JiamblesApr 19, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=X3lzVdol,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-04-19T01:41:41.567+0000)

An assassin that sucks at farming, but is good at assassinating.

Welcome to season 1-5. Fucking love it.

If only they revert Swain/Galion/Jax/Vlad... ect ect.. League might be fun again.

Lets also remove Static shiv/Rapidfire/Jungle Items/Botrk/new runes/ect and it would be perfect.

Are you suggesting that they give Jax his dodge chance back? Because that was cancer.

Edge of DaybreakApr 19, 201810 votes

You just now realizing it was horrible? I realized it was horrible when I read the actual patch notes.

CrazFight Apr 19, 20184 votes

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You just now realizing it was horrible? I realized it was horrible when I read the actual patch notes.

I never thought it was a good thnig, but now that lb is back, I can feel the difference between playing the two.

NineTailedMysticApr 19, 20187 votes

It made me realize I need to permaban her again.

BisaknospApr 19, 20187 votes

people act like she wasnt toxic to play against before xd

LightIsMyPathApr 19, 20185 votes

.. And facing her today reminded me of how miserable the experience is. Holy moly the burst is real. But at least now I can counterpick her again with waveclear

Pandemic PunchApr 19, 20184 votes

Still waiting on Soraka revert

Sassmast3rApr 19, 20181 votes

I miss back when her Q had a slowing, large circle in the middle and her heals felt way better. It gave me a reason to try and land her Qs perfectly, whereas now you just spam them.

Pandemic PunchApr 19, 20183 votes

Ahh, I am talking about before that. When she had a starcall that hit every target on the screen and she could replenish mana to allies :D

DanjengApr 19, 20181 votes

That version was pretty braindead though.

Pandemic PunchApr 19, 20182 votes

What does braindead mean to you?

Easy to play? Win easy with minimal effort? Unfun to play against?

Either way, all three of those meanings have nothing to do with why I want her back. Old Soraka was the most fun champion I have played in this game. Even after she was nerfed out of the mid lane and only had a 47-48% win rate as a Support pick. Building tank items and being a MR shredder in the late game was very satisfying.

I have seen her get a significant amount of complaints after he rework because of how often she can heal. I can't tell you how many times people said that she is "cancer" to play against. No one was saying that about pre-rework Soraka as a Support. Her heal had a MASSIVE CD on it.

DanjengApr 19, 20182 votes

I understand the feeling. Sometimes older basic champions can be much fun compared to their reworked counterparts.

Linna ExcelApr 19, 20183 votes

How horrible the assassin rework was.

This is how I feel about far too many of the rework's lately. I think riot needs to rework their rework department.

kargishApr 19, 20185 votes

It's not all bad though, Warwick became a good rework, his numbers are just overtuned.

Linna ExcelApr 19, 20182 votes

Yeah, I think that WW was one of the best reworks that riot did because he looks and feels like warwick.

VelasanApr 19, 20183 votes

Eh I mean yeah great that they reverted her... but they tried to change her because of an issue she still has.

That issue is LB is hyper mobile and very bursty. She gets ahead and you basically can't interact with her at all while she runs around the map detonating whoever she happens to run into.

I'm happy for the people who play her and get an LB whose pretty much back to the way she was, but I still hate playing against her.