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Hey so uh great work on the Annie update and everything but

jr deputy meow·6/6/2016, 8:26:58 AM·13 votes·2,150 views

how do you guys feel about the current power of her bear summon? : )

I've had annies quite literally ult at me - not on me - and the bear will just chase me down and if i'm low health it will kill me. That's new, and it's a LITTLE frustrating, but i can get used to it! i'll just remember she can do that now but you know what i don't think i can handle? the only thing i /really/ hate is how the bear enrages and regains its health when annie dies. that's so superfluous and frustrating to play against, like, even if i survive her burst and manage to gib her, the bear gets me that needs to be changed imo Annie's up front burst - and its reliability - might have been scaled back a smidgen, but it's still among the most formidable (and foolproof) in the game. Surviving it or - somehow - outplaying it is no minor feat, and nothing feels worse than doing that and even getting the kill and having that fucking bear INSTANTLY be up in your face finishing the job. It's like a sion passive - except that sion's passive has a delay and quickly dies if it cant hit you. The bear, though? it just keeps going. it's not until teamfights that i can ever dream of trying to fight annie while her bear is summoned or readied because it WILL be a 1 for 1 and, alright, that's really frustrating. I don't like that

another frustrating thing is how even if you block the annie stun - say, with sivir/nocturne spellshield, fiora riposte, banshee's veil, etc - the bear STILL enrages. so, great job, you blocked annie's damage - but now you have a bear in your face.

look, i'm okay with that fucking thing being tanky, fast, and hitting like an underfed volibear, but it needs to die when annie does. That shit is giving me cancer and this family can't handle three cases of cancer in one year

if you guys agree, disagree, or have any other input on this, feel free to comment below telling me what an idiot i am

38 Comments

Seenan6/7/2016, 2:38:39 AM5 votes

Let's fix the countless bugs on her bear's AI before we go about nerfing her here and there.

TyroneWatermelon6/6/2016, 8:53:08 AM4 votes

Before and after she's still cancer toxic anti fun and no skill champion

M15TAH JAY6/7/2016, 4:37:10 AM4 votes

I think the power they put into her bear is awesome...like the fact when she dies he just gets pissed i mean shit why wasn't it like that to begin with? It just makes sense they took power from her kit just to make Tibbers better...he was slightly lacking but still pretty badass I've had times where I get killed as annie and Tibbers flips shit and chases them down but to no avail but then other times it happens and he kills em It's not that drastic just a new thing thats gotta be played around

MissMikasa6/8/2016, 1:00:16 AM3 votes

She's a burst mage, she's supposed to kill squishies quickly and stop high mobility champs in their place. They just took some of her main power and put it into Tibbers. I think his raged effect when she dies is fine because it's a 50/50 chance he will kill the person he's going after. He won't always get the kill. Maybe if people are upset that they didn't hurt her damage as much, then I say nerf her ratios a bit, but other than that she's fine.

The main thing I don't like is her charge bar, but I guess they put that in to make it more fair.

Remlap12236/7/2016, 2:14:30 AM3 votes

Shed be good... if her stun wasn't bugged, and Tibbers' AI didnt suck.

jr deputy meow6/6/2016, 6:31:57 PM2 votes

so, great replies everyone, but as you may or may not have noticed, i actually WASN'T asking about the state of annie in general! I was asking specifically about your thoughts on the amount of power they've redirected to her bear summon, and how it feels to play against it so, if you folks could get back to me on that, that would be greatsummoner 6

GenghisEmo6/8/2016, 4:02:56 AM2 votes

Well, old Annie was better with her more consistant insta-gibbing. New Annie seems more "random" and "cluncky". Even at times the stun seems buggy by not working half the time.

WitchQueen Annie6/8/2016, 3:59:31 AM2 votes

I prefer Old Annie who can reliably burst down half the team if they mis-position.

The new Annie has lower cool downs (probably due to the new item changes) but her Tibbers is now more of a 1 vs 1 weapon and I can't land mass Flash stun combos as reliably anymore.

I think overall the nerf to Tibbers' burst damage and AOE radius is a mistake because it makes Annie more of a 1 vs 1 champ with short-range when her identity was previously tied to her mass multi-target burst. She already suffers from a short range in laning and in team fights and a lack of escape... Tibbers can now THEORETICALLY deal more damage over time (or after she's dead) but often to the wrong target and not fast enough.

Old Tibbers was better.

stealthfox946/6/2016, 7:58:16 PM2 votes

I'm just happy that Tibbers doesn't insta burst you like it use to.

Abyssphere6/7/2016, 2:23:00 AM2 votes

I can see what you're talking about - being killed by a champion AFTER they die feels kinda like you wasted your effort and Tibbers is pretty strong at it - I saw my boyfriend (plays a fair bit of Annie) get a triple post-death thanks to Rylai's Tibbers chasing people down one by one, it was lucky on his part but strong too.

I'm not sure if I think anything needs to be done about it, though. Tibbers being strong in situations like Annie dying is why they lowered the upfront burst and there's at least more counterplay to enraged Tibbers than the burst of Tibbers.

Nameless Voice6/8/2016, 12:56:37 AM1 votes

While I agree that the bear can be annoying, my bigger complaint is that she gained a huge amount of power with the buffed Tibbers and reworked Molten Shield, yet she lost hardly anything from her burst combo.

She can still flash and instantly delete a squishy before the stun expires, but now the bear also manages to do crazy damage if her target survives her burst. Either she's a burst mage, or she's a minion-controller sustained-damage mage. S he should be able to do one thing or the other - not both.

I think all the buffs are worth a lot more than the 25 (+0.15AP) that she lost off her burst.