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Smurfs are ruining the ranked system

Addam··44 votes·4,948 views

I've noticed that a lot of really good players have ended up in some of my low elo games, and i dont know if its just me but playing with a diamond level player in silver just doesnt seem fair? And I think it makes the climb that much harder don't you think? It might be that the highest im meant to get to is plat or silver or whatever, but the difference between a plat and a diamond is astonishing. And it surely adds to that 'elo hell' aspect. I can honestly confirm ive vsd at least 2 known high elo smurfs this week, and have had quite a horrible time of it in my ranked positions.

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Mojihito66625 votes

50% forced winrate + duos + smurfs + one shot snowball meta = shitty game experience

Barkley11 votes

The 50% forced win rate bullshit has GOT to go.

Skorch1 votes

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The 50% forced win rate bullshit has GOT to go.

Its hard to remove something that wasnt there in the first place

Moonfall Saber4 votes

you know its there otherwise you wouldnt be matched with such shitty teammates at times.

Skorch2 votes

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you know its there otherwise you wouldnt be matched with such shitty teammates at times.

OR, and this is a crazy concept i know, Matchmaking is random. And your luck for decent teammates is bound to run out sometime.

6KEMBE4ORBA6 votes

Umm no

Although luck plays a huge role ---> Riot has already stated/confirmed several times (I've read it on the old forums) that the MM is setting such cases where you're expected to lose/expected to win.

Moonfall Saber1 votes

Matchmaking has nothing to do with luck. The mmr system specifically matches you with teammates depending on your mmr and win rate. If you have a high mmr and a low won rate your going to get good teammates. If you have a low mmr and a high win rate your going to get Shit teammates. If you have a high mmr and a high win rate your going to get bronze 5 level teammates.

Moonfall Saber2 votes

And if you have a low mmr and a low wim rate your going to get faker himself on your team.

Brain Errör 4042 votes

This is false. Considering winrate and MMR is specifically tied together, you can't necessarily have high MMR and low winrate. This is how the system is based:

If you have high MMR, your teammates will have a lower average MMR and the enemy team will have a higher average MMR. What this means is your team will be slightly worse than the enemy team where you're expected to lose. This is because your MMR is high, so your team has to have a lower MMR to compensate to balance the game out. However, if you're "good" enough to carry, you get more gains. It's not specifically set to "make" you lose, but rather to "test" how good you think you are.

Granted, this philosophy is poor but I think it's done to TRY to keep the game balanced and fair. If matchmaking was completely random, I think the game really would be a toss up, even more so than it is now. What Riot doesn't understand, however, is when your laners are completely outmatched and how devastating this is under any given standards. I had a Leblanc in game vs Ori who had 19 cs at 15minutes. There was nothing I could possibly do to close the skill gap of my mid laners because of how it's set up. Riot's been continuously removing the ability to solo carry, while keeping this philosophy making it neigh impossible to carry without completely relying on your teammates.

Psybicilin1 votes

I think this is a misconception. In matchmade games, red side is given a higher MMR than blue side due to the "natural advantages" that blue side gets. Things like first pick and river access to baron. These things don't really matter that much in soloQ, so games tend to be one sided. At least that's my theory behind the whole "50% wr lock" that the boards brings up.

Mojihito6662 votes

Its simple. Make MMR visible.

Oh wait its HIDDEN ON PURPOSE.

Der Lindwurm13 votes

I contacted support about precisely this issue and what it is doing to matchmaking, especially when the players who get boosted by smurfs end up in games where they stand no chance. And that's not even to mention how this is the main reason why the game is currently inaccessible to new players.

This is the response I got:

I understand how frustrating this is, and while I can't speak for any future plans, know that smurfing is not against the rules as players are allowed to make a new account whenever they wish. That said, unfortunately, I'm not part of the design team, so I can't make use of your concerns. However, I would recommend you share this concern on the boards and see what others think about it. We often have Riot employees visit the boards to see what the community is talking about.

I've never seen any evidence that Riot employees take note of posts such as yours, and certainly haven't ever seen any of them comment on this issue.

InTheory3 votes

They have commented on that in the past (I remember two times). One has been on ask Riot if I remember correctly where they said that this is a controversial topic for Riot themselves but they came to the conclusion that as long as a smurf keeps playing fair its not against the rules and not worthy to intervene. Somewhen in 2017 they rowed back on that because minds changed at Riot resulting in them "disliking smurfs" but without any ideas of how to stop that. Stopping high elo players from smurfing would be the same as trying to prevent any banned player from creating new accounts I think. So the problem is how to make an reliable algorithm and what to do with that.

MalrothDragonia1 votes

yeah, basically what InTheory said. As far as action on their part, that's one of the reasons for perfecting the scoring system so that you get closer to your appropriate MMR in as few games as possible no matter what your starting at. Meaning smurfs get to higher tiers/against better players faster so that they ruin LESS games overall. I don't think there's any fair or realistic system that will ever deal with smurfs in a way that smurfs don't exist.

Nea1043 votes

[{quoted}](name=Der Lindwurm,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wk4qupgA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-02-01T13:58:15.776+0000)

I contacted support about precisely this issue and what it is doing to matchmaking, especially when the players who get boosted by smurfs end up in games where they stand no chance. And that's not even to mention how this is the main reason why the game is currently inaccessible to new players.

This is the response I got:

I've never seen any evidence that Riot employees take note of posts such as yours, and certainly haven't ever seen any of them comment on this issue.

They know it's an allowed shame, so they pretend not to see such posts, and they go on with a "don't ask, don't tell" behaviour :)

llIIlIllllIIlIll5 votes

afk ruins the game more. Better a master smurf in enemy team than another afk in my team.

but rito wont change tis :3

Naymliss6 votes

Uh, I'd take the afk any day of the week over a master smurf. I've won quite a few games with an afk, but I doubt I could beat a master smurf.

Lios Ashenblade2 votes

afk should warrant a ranked suspension for the season or something

XxDRAGONsAK47xX5 votes

Um...

As a gold 4 mid laner I don't appreciate going against a Diamond 1 smurf zed main.

It wasnt a good game.

Nea1045 votes

It's like cheating. You're like a 250 pound boxer which is supposed to fight against another 250 pound guy; instead, you cheat and fight against 100 pound kids.

What did Riot do about it, these years? Nothing, so it's a welcome thing. Good job :P

Starcraft243ver2 votes

the comparison is fucked up,

It's a 250 pound boxer against a 250 pound non trained person.

You have the same tools the smurf has. He just uses it better.

Nea1042 votes

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the comparison is fucked up,

It's a 250 pound boxer against a 250 pound non trained person.

You have the same tools the smurf has. He just uses it better.

Whatever, what I pointed out it's that it is totally unfair, just like cheating :)

And you don't have the same tools, since a new player (or a lower elo one) cannot in any way do what an expert player can do...

Starcraft243ver2 votes

You have the same tools, the same way you and a trainned swordman would have the same tools if you and him both have the same sword.

Nea1042 votes

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You have the same tools, the same way you and a trainned swordman would have the same tools if you and him both have the same sword.

No, the metaphor is not about both having a sword or so... The metaphor is about less expert people having no way to do what expert people can do, same as beating up younger kids or anyway someone who cannot defend themselves :P It's cheating :D

Lios Ashenblade5 votes

Im the best fighter in the entire elementary school, I dont attend the school, I just go there when I need to beat someone up

AdeBug1 votes

But hey, it's fun :) and good for stats

943721485 votes

What do they do about it? Ban the people that get mad at the smurfs.

Hiharin2 votes

This Boxer analogy sums it up. Smurfs are just Pathetic Losers that can't handle their own rank and come down to beat up on the lower players so they can feel good about themselves. They are garbage to society. They're a detriment to the RIOT community.

Use any Sports Analogy. National competitors up against High School Recreational players is a horrible game in every aspect. It's garbage to play, its disgusting to watch. It's just very very wrong.

Megadeth4 votes

Riot endorses smurfing because it gives them more money. the tyler1 situation is a good example. instead of unbanning him, they forced him to climb through the shit tiers all over again, which is basically smurfing.

Starcraft243ver3 votes

Riot endorses smurfing because it gives them more money. the tyler1 situation is a good example. instead of unbanning him, they forced him to climb through the shit tiers all over again, which is basically smurfing.

Nope, they endorses smurfing because it's impossible to prevent people from smurfing.

Lios Ashenblade1 votes

Yeap, only way to fix it is with a product key you pay for, and even then these diamond smurfs and what not are buying fresh 30s already

Phelas3 votes

They ruin at most one game for YOU.

They'll be out of your elo in less than two days worth of playing so don't make it sound that because you lost ONE game to them they ruin everything.

EDIT: How many times have there been smurfs on your team tho? It evens out.

T4underbolt12 votes

Let me fix this because it's false as fk. One smurf you meet ruins the game for 5 people: you and 4 of your teammates. If 4 enemies are not a bunch of hypocrites they will feel game ruined for them too cause one guy destroyed everyone and carried them. Meanwhile this smurf wins and gets elo and MMR. He ruins game for another players a bit higher in elo. Meanwhile you queue for next game and... Oh another smurf this time not from d5 but D1 messing around in placements to get out lower at the beginning. Another game ruined. Next game. Another smurf. Amount of smurf accounts active at the same time is huge. And it doesn't even out. There is not algorithm that gives you same amount of matches with smurf in your team as it was in opposite team. You can be so freaking unlucky to get 10 smurfs in enemy team in a row with only q smurf in your team in a game.

Bultz3 votes

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I've noticed that a lot of really good players have ended up in some of my low elo games, and i dont know if its just me but playing with a diamond level player in silver just doesnt seem fair? And I think it makes the climb that much harder don't you think? It might be that the highest im meant to get to is plat or silver or whatever, but the difference between a plat and a diamond is astonishing. And it surely adds to that 'elo hell' aspect. I can honestly confirm ive vsd at least 2 known high elo smurfs this week, and have had quite a horrible time of it in my ranked positions.

I don't have a problem playing against smurfs, i'll do fine. I have a problem with my team feeding their asses off cause they aren't at that level and me losing rank cause of my team. I lost so many games cause i end up with a poor bot lane, while the other team has ringers. its frustrating.

943721483 votes

Don't get mad at them ruining your game and wasting your time though. If you so much as get annoyed they'll have their team 5 man report you and you'll get instantly chat banned because for some reason when someone carries their team hard the people they carried forget all about how shitty of an experience playing against a smurf is and do the smurfs bidding.

Then you'll lose your account and have to get a new one.

TouchFluffyTaìl3 votes

What ruins the games are kids that play minecraft all day and barely graduate from bot games after hitting level 30 and going straight into ranked games.

I'll take all the smurfs you can throw at me over these kids at any given time, at least there is a challenge in that.

Skorch2 votes

The issue with smurfing is not only is it extremely hard to detect, but would also be kind of annoying as people make seperate accounts for many reasons. Smurfs are no where near common, especially since its very easy for them to climb. Of course in Plat there are more than bronze/silver/gold. But by plat i hope you at least you know WHEN you are making a mistake, and can fix that.

Sure fighting a smurf sucks but enforcing everyone can only play on 1 account ever is also dumb. The best solution is to just make it EASIER for these people to climb to get them out faster.

Also sorry but if you DESERVED high elo, then 1 game against a smurf out of every 20 isnt gonna kill you.

Ifneth2 votes

It's not the rare summoner who stomps that bothers me. It's the common second or third 'troll' account that's annoying. There are plenty of players who just buy a second account a tier or two below them and then goof around. It only takes one jerk like that to ruin the game for 4 people and make it competitively meaningless for another 5. :(

IainG102 votes

What makes me sad is how many times someone makes a post like this, and yet nothing happens....The excuses I've seen given are 'But what if they want to play with their friends?'; that is what Normals are for. IMO Smurfing in Ranked should be a bannable offence

An Draoi2 votes

I have a smurf account but it's primarily to teach my new friend the game. Keep in mind I'm high silver/low gold at best, so "smurf" might be an over exaggeration. Even on my "smurf" I feel as though consistently I'm playing against higher skilled players.

Addam1 votes

[{quoted}](name=An Draoi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Wk4qupgA,comment-id=001a,timestamp=2018-02-02T21:33:44.321+0000)

I have a smurf account but it's primarily to teach my new friend the game. Keep in mind I'm high silver/low gold at best, so "smurf" might be an over exaggeration. Even on my "smurf" I feel as though consistently I'm playing against higher skilled players.

See I think that's kinda nice, but i think you should probably play norms with it. Yeah haha. But the high elo smurfs that do it that i've found aren't doing it to help his friend learn the game, they're doing it to either boost another player - whether that be their friends account or the account they're playing on, or they're doing it to have some fun in lower elo. And either way, does that not defeat the purpose of a ranked system?

An Draoi1 votes

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See I think that's kinda nice, but i think you should probably play norms with it. Yeah haha. But the high elo smurfs that do it that i've found aren't doing it to help his friend learn the game, they're doing it to either boost another player - whether that be their friends account or the account they're playing on, or they're doing it to have some fun in lower elo. And either way, does that not defeat the purpose of a ranked system?

Oh yeah we're in norms, I maybe didn't make that clear :I

Vyr Thirku1 votes

It's something Riot will never fix. Mostly due to streamers smurfing their climb to diamond on like 7 different accounts. Plus there's no real way to accurately track smurfing, and MMR usually gets them into plat pretty quick (usually ~20 games) unless they intentionally lose like 30 games in a row every couple of days to keep silver MMR.

Jinx Hunter1 votes

Nothing new, has been said before, proven before and Riot doesn't care. Next.

Subdue1 votes

There is no way to prevent smurfing as long as accounts (and access to ranked) are free and only require an email address to create.

It's literally impossible. Personally I think accounts should be tied to something less accessible then an email address, like a phone number. Yes, there are still ways to get multiple phone numbers, but they are far less accessible than email addresses.

DemainaNyx1 votes

Would actually love to be against a smurf. All the smurfs have been on my teams and the feed relentlessly because, "I'm a 27/2 diamond smurf, watch me 1v5."

Yeah, surprisingly when you take all the kills and then run in the enemy team solo when they all have some form of CC, you tend to just die and take the whole game with you.

Lios Ashenblade1 votes

Usually only the ones with smurf in their name lol

AdeBug1 votes

Here's the kicker. Say 1 sunny day smurfing is fixed, the way the q and matchmaking is designed right now (not just in this game) will never fix this problem: tanking your elo only to climb again by stomping.

L1tespeed1 votes

As a D2 smurf, we mostly smurf because Riots banning system is insane. Any ounce of negativity results in punishments, which is stupid because you can just mute someone lol.

I tend to lose faith in my games, "GG we lost, bot lane fed too hard" = Ban for negativity. I dont int, I dont afk, I simply get banned because I take the game too seriously wanting to win every game, thus I get mad at team mates for intentionally losing the game and intentionally not listening, yet they get off the hook to any punishment. If they just got a Play 5 normal games till you can play ranked again as their punishment, then I probably wouldnt be so negative.

General Esdeath 3 votes

It's so hard to be banned

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