Suggestion on how to bring Tahm Kench and Dr. Mundo in line

Nikoyopu·2/21/2016, 5:29:17 PM·1 votes·872 views

I am not suggesting an outright nerf to these champions but rather a buff to a currently weak item which would allow adcs who aren't and other AS champions to be able to hurt these guys. Buff by increasing its percent health damage. Keep its passive as physical damage obviously because that way it doesn't hit tanks who prioritize armor and magic resist over health (which are most tanks, not bruisers). It might also have the side effect of weakening which has been a bit of a problem item.

edit: After seeing a lot of responses about I have to amend my suggestion. In addition to increasing the percent health damage on make it so ranged champs only deal half of the percent health damage. That way if say it was increased to 10% or 12% it would still be no more viable on Vayne.

12 Comments

DrNova2/21/2016, 5:40:01 PM2 votes

Yeah I'd rather not have to ban mundo AND vayne.

SwiftKitten882/21/2016, 5:41:22 PM1 votes

i disagree the issue with TahmKench isnt his just surviablity but the damage and cc he has.

and buffing item 3153 is hardly a fix when only AD champs really build it.

half the champs in the game are AP.. TahmKench needs a nerf.. and a seroius one DrMundo can be countered by item 3123 and item 3165 if becuase he has a weaker early game.

Critmaster Garen2/21/2016, 7:07:45 PM1 votes

no. fuck that broken item. never again.

its easier to tune mundo and tahm individually, than taking a shit on every bruiser and tank in the game by buffing adc even further. and i dont even want to know what happens to vayne with her buffed w when bork is op again. and it WAS op.

technically it still is as strong as before when combined with dominiks.

Drehirth2/21/2016, 7:13:05 PM1 votes

Why are we mentioning vayne when kog is already strong ....

Espy Psyche2/21/2016, 7:38:38 PM1 votes

All item 3153 needs is the change of one word.

Old: UNIQUE Passive: Basic attacks deal 6% of the target's current health in bonus physical damage (max 60 vs. monsters and minions) on hit. Life Steal applies to this damage.

New: UNIQUE Passive: Basic attacks deal 6% of the target's maximum health in bonus physical damage (max 60 vs. monsters and minions) on hit. Life Steal applies to this damage.

By changing "current" to "maximum" Tahm and Mundo don't get harder to kill as their HP goes down. This is enough of a buff to make it effective at stopping health stacking, but not so much that it buffs Vayne into the realm of absurdity.

Alternatively, BotRK could be split into two items to stop Zed from abusing it.

<insert name here> builds from Recurve Bow and Giant Slayer. It'll give AD, AS, Life Steal, and both the Giant Slayer and Kingblade passives. It'll be the item to build to bust health stacking. (Note that to bust certain tanks, you'll still need Mortal Reminder for the Last Whisper and Executioner passives.)

<insert name here> builds from Bilgewater Cutlass and Serrated Dirk, giving AD, Life Steal, Armor Penetration, and the active from the old BotRK. Assassins would prefer this item because it gives what they need.

Releasing these deletes Blade of the Ruined King..

Gunpoint2/22/2016, 12:35:21 AM1 votes

Yes, adcs do need a buff because it's not like they are seeing play top, jungle, mid, and bot rn.

Loco Mot1ves2/21/2016, 5:37:34 PM1 votes

Can we afford to buff BotRK if it means breaking Vayne?

Destroyer Bush3/20/2016, 12:10:43 PM1 votes

DrMundo is perfectly counterable as it is. Just no one itemizes to counter anyone because....I don't know why. What makes DrMundo so strong? Magic damage and health regen. Build MR to counter his magic damage, build item 3123 item 3033 item 3165 to combat him ( will also help break his armor....gasp). When I play him, if anyone builds those items, I avoid them like the plague unless I know I can dumpster them. So don't cry nerf, learn the game and adapt to your opposition.