Seekers Armgard suggestion.

Nikoyopu·1/24/2016, 4:13:07 AM·2 votes·505 views

It is kind of universally agreed at this point that the cost nerfs to AP items and the new AD items are making mid lane AD assasins really strong. And as we all know one of the main reasons for this is . Against an AD mid laner, as it stands, most mages either have to rush this item which is far from ideal on a lot of them, or accept that they will lose the lane phase. This is also true top, where it is due to . So my suggestion is to give something to a as has to . Specifically to give it an active which supresses its user but gives them a flat amount of bonus armor and MR. This is no where near as strong as a Zonyas stasis but would allow for a safer lane without having to rush a less than ideal item. I don't know this might be completely stupid but I thought I'd at least throw it out there.

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Drake Xi Onyx1/25/2016, 7:06:36 AM2 votes

item 3191 Is definitely under-powered at the moment and severely handicaps any mage forced to build into it. The passive is biggest problem as it makes it incredibly gold inefficient upfront, when the only reason someone is building it is for survivability. Taking 30 kills to stack up, this requires cs-ing 5 waves or 4 and a raptor camp in best case scenario which is at least 3 further minutes before the item is cost efficient, let alone making an appreciable difference. You pay a horrendous 465g to combine item 1029 and item 1052 for just a measly 10 Armor upfront. This then becomes 25 armor and 15 AP. The result is almost identical to buying item 1031 (+40 Armor) and (+20 AP) for total cost of 1235g, except the latter is all up front - when you need it.

As it stands on most mages I just buy item 1029 if struggling against AD, and later get item 1058 . Then I just upgrade to item 3157 from there (which costs 1740g, including selling the extra cloth armor).

A (simpler) alternative suggestion to your idea would be to make item 3191 build out of:

and ; or,
and

(Depending on how you wanted to tune it, I lean towards the latter) Increase the total cost of it a little, and remove the scaling passive from kills.

An additional idea would be to a new item that builds out of item 3191 and item 3140 ; and it can then have QSS's active and Seeker's (former) passive perhaps tuned with more max stacks, i.e:

50 stacks at: 0.6 AP, and 0.4 Armor and 0.3 MR per stack;
Min stats: 45 AP, 35 Armor and 30 MR;
Max stats: 75 AP, 55 Armor, 45 MR;
Total cost: 2800g.

This for an alternative item for mages to build, akin to item 3170 , which emphasizes the utility early on for tough match-ups without giving you too much strength, and allowing an opponent counter-play in denying you cs to make the item reach legendary tier, but without denying you the utility and upfront survivabilty you need from the components.

Critmaster Garen1/24/2016, 4:31:47 AM1 votes

if we would replace zonyas with that, i wouldnt complain.