Volibear Broken In all levels of play.

No Chill Riven·Jun 28, 2016·2 votes·1,443 views

Lets think abstract. If you have a tanky champion, who builds full, complete tank: do you expect him to deal any damage? no, of course not, because he is building tank, meaning he expects to tank most of the damage for his team while letting his teammates deal the damage because THEY built damage. now lets get back to voli bear, a tanky champion, who builds full, complete tank: does he deal any damage? yes, yes he deals more damage than both adcs and assassin midlaners... CONSISTENTLY. thats the word you're looking for, rioters, huh? CONSISTENLY. volibear is broken in his damage scalings, if he is building tank, he shouldn't be dealing any damage. if he is building damage, HE SHOULDN'T BE A GIANT, 4k HP TANK. nerf the guy, while his abilities are good, their scalings are just too fucking broken, they're too fucking high to be considered "balanced"

14 Comments

EndlessSorcererJun 28, 20168 votes

He already has nerfs on the PBE.

Also, you don't seem to know how Juggernauts work or how they are balanced. I would advise learning before complaining about them on the forums again.

No Chill RivenJun 28, 20161 votes

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He already has nerfs on the PBE.

Also, you don't seem to know how Juggernauts work or how they are balanced. I would advise learning before complaining about them on the forums again.

would you care to explain how juggernauts work or how they are balanced? after all, you DID yourself advise learning before complaining about them on the forums again.

EndlessSorcererJun 28, 20165 votes

Juggernauts are balanced around their low mobility, low CC and/or low effective range to compensate for their high damage and durability.

Generally, they have to be within melee range of a target for fight them effectively, but they lack the tools to effectively get within melee-range of their target. For example, Volibear has a single mobility tool (the MS buff on his Q) which requires he run up to his target (often requiring he go through the enemy team to get there).

As such, he is rather vulnerable to kiting through slows and CC; a peel support (i.e. Nami, Janna, Lulu, Zilean) can often be enough to negate him during teamfights even if their ADC or other teammates can't kite him by themselves. This is ignoring mobile ADCs (i.e. Lucian, Kalista) and CC-oriented ADCs (i.e. Ashe, Varus) and mid-laners (i.e. Azir, Vel'koz, Lux, Leblanc) using their own tools to kite him and the fact that he has to get past the enemy tanks/fighters first to even have a chance at reaching the back-line. Rylai's Crystal Scepter and Frozen Mallet are also very good tools for kiting him as a squishy target (while givign

Volibear in particular has issues dealing with durable targets. While he has high base damages on his W and R (provided you can stick to a target), he can't effectively itemize for penetration items (i.e. Black Cleaver) like other Juggernauts (i.e. Darius, Garen, Illaoi) can. This reduces his damage against tanks and fighters immensely, so he needs to reach the back-line to be effective and he has few tools to do so.

A definition for Juggernauts (and other classes) is available here:

Juggernauts are melee titans who relentlessly march down the opposition and devastate those foolish enough to get within their grasp. They are the only subclass who excel at both dealing and taking significant amounts of damage, but in turn they have a tough time closing in on targets due to their low range and extremely limited mobility.

Michael SykesJun 28, 20162 votes

Very good explanation. In my opinion it is very important to tell others about the new Classes and subclasses.

Additionally, Volibear is getting nerfed in 6.13 - is early game is going to be weaker

EndlessSorcererJun 28, 20162 votes

Yeah, I'd included that in my initial reply above.

I don't think they changed the direction of the nerf since I last checked.

Michael SykesJun 28, 20161 votes

yep. His attack speed and the base damage of his w are still lowered on the early levels!

alasarcherJun 28, 20164 votes

If tank with soft CC like Volibear didnt actually have damage, why would he be of any threat?

No Chill RivenJun 28, 20162 votes

if a giant tank with soft cc like volibear didn't consistently carry 1v5, i wouldn't care either, but the problem and the reason that he is broken if that he is TOO much of a threat. he, as the tank frontline, deals MORE DAMAGE than the squishy backline, and thats a problem when it happens consistently.

alasarcherJun 28, 20166 votes

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if a giant tank with soft cc like volibear didn't consistently carry 1v5, i wouldn't care either, but the problem and the reason that he is broken if that he is TOO much of a threat. he, as the tank frontline, deals MORE DAMAGE than the squishy backline, and thats a problem when it happens consistently.

He doesnt do more damage than squishy backline on single target. Also he doesnt have ranged attacks and is quite easily peeled. Applying any kind of healing reduction counters him heavily. I can tell you why your game went bad. You had Shyvanna who built some silly items. You had Soraka who went for 50% CDR. You had ADC Ahri, who didnt even get armor penetration, lifesteal or %HP damage. Noone in your team had locket, u had very low ammout of peel. TBH ONLY person in that team that made some sense was that Vlad.

See, your problem wasnt opponent champion but: bad team composition, bad item builds, low skill, low CS,low warding, no game knowledge, no champion knowledge,

No Chill RivenJun 28, 20161 votes

while that is true, apart from the " bad team composition, bad item builds, low skill, low CS,low warding, no game knowledge, no champion knowledge," which is what you get in normals, I am speaking about volibear over many games of playing with differently skilled players playing him. so if you want to be an asshole and think that i am talking about one, singluar game, go right ahead, don't forget to grab yourself a report while you're at it. I am making this post because of the multiple games where the volibear can and DOES carry, and DOES deal more damage than the backlines, and DOES carry 1v5.

alasarcherJun 28, 20164 votes

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while that is true, apart from the " bad team composition, bad item builds, low skill, low CS,low warding, no game knowledge, no champion knowledge," which is what you get in normals, I am speaking about volibear over many games of playing with differently skilled players playing him. so if you want to be an asshole and think that i am talking about one, singluar game, go right ahead, don't forget to grab yourself a report while you're at it. I am making this post because of the multiple games where the volibear can and DOES carry, and DOES deal more damage than the backlines, and DOES carry 1v5.

Its not Volibear that carries, its good player on Volibear. Why dont u go ahead and try to carry with Volibear. If u think he is so OP go ahead, join ranked and queue as top and jungle and pick Volibear. If he is so OP and can carry, should be easy to get out of silver V with him. But once u get AD Janna kiting the shit out of you, dont come here complaining how Volibear is weak and can be kited by anything.

EndlessSorcererJun 28, 20161 votes

Yeah, the builds that game were rather sad.

I always find it funny when people complain about a champion lacking counterplay or being to strong when they have made so many obvious mistakes, rendering them far weaker than they should have been.

RalanrJun 28, 20164 votes

Mundo does damage despite building full tank. Or rather because he builds full tank.

No Chill RivenJun 28, 20162 votes

mundo has no hard cc, and most of the time he is a walking simulator who is easily kited and is a proper frontliner. volibear has his dash which speeds him up, making kiting almost impossible in lower elos, plus he deals much more damage than the mundo with the same builds.