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Again, there are PLENTY of good MR items now

ChaosReyn·1/6/2020, 8:11:23 AM·4 votes·1,888 views

Mages, the "oh so obviously strongest class" are literally underperforming. The exceptions being Kat and Akali, due to their spammable, high skill combos, and the fact that they're freaking assassins

Literally every other mage can't keep up with the AD burst champs, in any way. And they also can't fight anything with more than 2500 hp anyway.

Keep telling me they're "the most op class" when literally the only thing they're good for is annoying the bot laner until 15-20 minutes when ONE ADC AUTO starts dealing more goddamn burst damage than a full fucking mage combo.

"Oh, just build magic pen!" Enemy tank: item 3001 Enough hp and MR combined to live your burst damage and also gives their whole team 15% more magic damage against you. Enemy bruiser/Juggernaut: item 3065 Literally heal through the equivalent of SEVEN of your fucking burst combos and just generally not give a shit. Enemy assassin: item 3156 Enough to live your burst damage, kill you, and use the extra healing from everything they do to get back to full while also killing your whole fucking team Enemy ADC: same as assassin - lives burst, shreds you, shreds entire team cause of all the healing. Enemy enchanter: probably the ONLY ONE you can kill past 10 minutes consistently.

It's not MR or damage that's even the problem - it's the fucking effects of all the items that block MR. Having defensive items is nice. Having items that give you other random defensive benefits are nice.

Having ONE DEFENSIVE ITEM invalidate the majority of an ENTIRE CLASS'S RELEVANCE TO THE FUCKING GAME is not ok. ESPECIALLY when literally anything AD right now has taken over that class's role - want burst? Why pick a mage when you can pick an AD assassin that wont be completely fucking irrelevant to the game as long as everyone important buys ONE MR item? Why play a mage when said AD assassin can just buy a couple lethality items to inavlidate all counterplay against them while also dealing more damage on average than even KAT OR AKALI, consistently, in every feasible fucking scenario?

If mages are supposed to be a threatening, feast or famine class with high burst and little defensive options, AT LEAST LET THEIR FUCKING OFFENSE BE FUCKING RELEVANT and not completely shrugged off or healed from near-death to full in 3 motherfucking autos from one fucking Lifeline trigger on ANY AD champ. I can understand Tryn and Warwick, they're SUPPOSED to heal...but when a ZED heals 2/3 your initial burst off of lifeline, which already blocked 30% of your burst, you have NO FUCKING HOPE of bursting them in a clash. You have similar burst damage, but they legit just negate 30% of yours while healing about 40% of what you already did to them, and mages don't get that negation/healing in any capacity, even with Zhonyas/Gunblade combined.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk...

15 Comments

2gudaiya1/6/2020, 8:57:07 AM3 votes

can we just not? mages are top of the food chain right now, they even somehow managed to push adc's out their role multiple times and always threaten to usurp top lane and support roles.

shunpo script1/6/2020, 12:53:25 PM3 votes

I don't get it. Ask literally any toplaner in Master+ what the top 3 most broken champions in top lane are right now and they will give you the same first 2 answers: Cassiopeia Ryze with the 3rd being one of Lucian Mordekaiser Vladimir or Vayne depending on who they main.

Why would the top 0.05% of the playerbase choose to play underpowered champions? Your post makes no sense.

Cind3rkick1/6/2020, 8:26:08 AM2 votes

Correct, each role has ONE mr item AT MOST.

Every MR item has a specific use, which means most will be useless in the current situation and a waste of gold, just so a mage cant one-shot you.

Its worse than having to spend 1.3k just to survive a morde ult.

Armor on the other hand, has 4-5 items that are always useful.

item 3075 item 3143 item 3068 item 3742

Any tank can build those 4 and be unkillable vs an all AD comp. What can a tank build against a majority AP comp?

floo1/6/2020, 8:20:50 AM2 votes

Because no AD item gives 40% penetration?

item 3191 and item 3157 are extremely good items against AD burst.

Some of the strongest champs in the game atm are Kassadin Mordekaiser Ekko .

Chainman31/8/2020, 3:43:04 PM2 votes

Highest winrate mid laners

  1. A sol
  2. Morde
  3. Nocturne
  4. Swain
  5. Rumble https://u.gg/lol/tier-list/?role=middle 3 out of 5 are mages, but lets keep making these posts playing them off as garbage. Because if mages dont dominate every lane they're obviously underpowered and need buffs right? LOL such a joke.
Hazardus ducees1/7/2020, 11:25:41 AM2 votes

I feel as if you're missing the main point of the argument over AP. Lets look at something much more … numerical. The highest MR scaling at level 18 is 60.25 and those stats come from Sylas and Talon (excluding Mega Gnar because it is a temporary transformation). Absolutely no one is going to build full MR unless they are a tank up against a full AP team. Lets just say that we are up against a full AP team. Lets just list all of the MR items (excluding boots). item 3001item 3194item 3190item 3102item 3091item 3156item 3065item 3193item 3139item 3174item 3222item 3050
12 MR items in all. 5 of them are mainly aimed at the supports. Now lets take a look at what roles could build this efficiently and what each would take.

Enchanters: item 3222item 3174item 3190 and they max out at about an average of 38.8 MR at level 18. Divers: item 3065 or item 3156 and item 3139 or item 3091 Max out with average of 53.35 MR at level 18. Juggernauts: item 3065 or item 3091 Max out with average of 53.35 MR at level 18. Marksmen: item 3091 and item 3156 or item 3139 Max out between 34.5 - 47 MR at level 18 Skirmisher: 50/50 or naw with item 3065 Max out at about 51.25 MR at level 18. Specialist: its a 50/50 whether or not they would even buy a item 3065. ... Vanguard: item 3065 or item 3190 and or item 3193 and or item 3050 ... Warden: item 3190item 3193item 3050 ...

In my opinion, Galio would be a major threat and deserves a slot of his own: item 3001item 3194item 3065item 3102item 3190item 3111 …

Okay so you get the deal. Other than the champions who are specifically made to soak up magic resistance, the majority of players who don't exactly have a variety of choices in the first place sort of don't really want them anyways- yet their stats says otherwise. They only get something because it'll greatly help them achieve a better spike in lane and help out in team fights without too much sacrifice. That is why spirit visage is almost always taken.

Now onto some more numerical stuff. Lets take Galio, fully built these items, reached level 18 (53.25 MR), with conditioning (9 +5%MR), and 2 MR slots that would be 16 MR. All together in just runes it would be, 78.25 (excluding the +5%) at level 18. The items combined would be 310 Magic Resistance. Yes, that is insane, but again- this is only against a full AP team that might I add, is already established as a major threat. Together you will have a grand total of 407.665 Magic resistance. Again, this is under extreme circumstances.

If absolutely anyone bought item 3135, the MR galio bought would now only be blocking only 244.5975 magic damage. Just look at that for a second, Just wow! A singular item quite literally made 3 entire items completely useless. That's literally only 2,650g to ignore almost a 8,000g priced in just items. So in a sense, I'm taking twice the amount of damage that ultimately wouldn't if VoidStaff didn't exist. On top of that, A lot of AP users can easily grow their AP damage past 600, take item 3151 and they aren't even late game mages; They are artillery mages for pete sake! Anyone in that position gets screwed because at that point, everyone has high cool down percentages and missing a skillshot doesn't really matter as much if everyone on their team has some sort of heavy CC in their kit.

lllll Rome lllll1/6/2020, 8:20:54 AM1 votes

The game is in a amazing state right now, please refrain from these outbursts. Riot games knows what they are doing and you should not worry!