Boards›Player Behavior

@Riot: What is the maximum deaths you can reach in 20 minutes?

ChaosReyn·7/13/2019, 4:06:03 PM·18 votes·10,228 views

This is being posted in PB as it's a question concerning intentional feeding. You've likely tested this at some point, since you've also tested such silly things as how long it takes to move with flash only from base to base, but I'm interested in knowing how many deaths you can get from just running into towers from the start of the game to 20 minutes. No abilities, no TP/Ghost, and no player interaction, just towers and creeps. This is to determine the base minimum amount of deaths that can qualify as intentional feeding during a game. As in, someone just going full Leeroy into the lane, and dying to tower, constantly, with no care in the world. This is important data, as a proof of concept that there is a limit to what's "having a bad game" and what's truly and undoubtedly intentional feeding, and that the line separating the two is much wider than a lot of people here in PB believe it is.

69 Comments

GatekeeperTDS7/13/2019, 4:26:52 PM8 votes

What makes intentional feeding is the intent to feed on purpose. On purpose = intentionally.

Do you know how many intentional deaths it takes for someone to be intentionally feeding?

ONE, if they truly, absolutely did it on purpose.

The Ecdysiast7/13/2019, 5:58:20 PM7 votes

So, here's an answer for you.

First, I wanted to get the fewest number of deaths possible while still running it directly down mid, so after checking up on base stats I settled on Tahm Kench, who has the highest possible survival time under turret level 1 if you use your E, buy a ruby crystal, and bring both armor Shards. With that:

It takes him 34s to get into turret range, It takes the 9s for the turret to kill him, And it takes 6s to respawn. However, for our purposes I'm going to use 10s because you'll be gaining at least a little experience from walking by the minions while they fight and there's no way to test exactly what level you'd get to without doing this with another person.

That's a total of 53 seconds between deaths. Over 20 minutes (1200s), that comes to 22 deaths (since we can't round up, we can only round down).

So, the minimum number of deaths you can get while running it down for twenty minutes is 22, with Tahm Kench "trying" to live.

Then, I found out the maximum number of deaths while running it down. Checking stats again, Elise was the fastest+weakest possible choice, and unlike Tahm I made no attempt to keep her alive, made sure NOT to bring the health or armor Shards, brought Celerity and bought boots at the start. With that:

It takes her only 27s to get into turret range, It takes only 4s for the turret to kill her And the same 10s for median respawn time.

That's a total of 41 seconds between deaths. Over 20 minutes, that comes to 29 deaths.

So, the maximum number of deaths you can get while running it down for twenty minutes is 29, with Elise making no attempt to survive.

Conclusion: The maximum number of deaths you can get within 20 minutes while running it down mid is somewhere between 22 and 29, depending on your champion.

The Ecdysiast7/13/2019, 4:41:08 PM6 votes

So, I started writing a long comment about how the punishment system works in regard to inting and bad games, but then I realized what you're actually asking. And it's a little fucked up that people are downvoting you based on the same misunderstanding I just had.

I'll actually go into practice tool right now and try to find out what the maximum number of deaths from turrets is for you. Hope others realize that's what you're actually asking and undo their votes.

Pika Fox7/13/2019, 4:25:27 PM5 votes

There is no "min/max number of deaths". The question is whether or not someone is intentionally feeding, not whether or not they hit some arbitrary death threshold.

zPOOPz7/13/2019, 5:07:59 PM3 votes

That really depends on if we are allowed to camp the enemy base outside their fountain. I once played a CO-OP vs AI game where the 5 of us camped the bot base as soon as the game began and kill them as soon as they left the fountain for 15-20 minutes (not proud of it, we were all.... let's say not have full control of our faculties). I can't remember the number because it was long ago, but it's pretty high....