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Ravenhurst··50 votes·3,798 views

I play a lot of Shyvana, and I've noticed that pretty much any ability that knocks or stuns stops Shyvana in mid flight, including a Sej charge. I'm not saying that a flying dragon should over rule everything. But I wonder why other abilities take priority. I guess it's in the wording, but I feel like it isn't right, and most people will agree that FLYING DRAGON > anything else as far as physics are concerned. What say you, Riot?

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not a starburst21 votes

Her ult is super underwhelming. Her ult should be ***HOLY MOTHER OF GOD IT'S A DRAGON AAAAAAAAGH ***

not

oh. hey, shyv ult down.

Mechanics aside, the transformation manages to be one of the more boring things on League, which is kind of sad.

Ariel the Cruel4 votes

oh. hey, shyv ult down.

It's not even that. Since she can get it back in 1-2 minion waves / jungle camps late game.

More like, "Oh hey, Shyvana is here.".

Kamiroo Wolf6 votes

Physics?

Vayne rolls through walls and rocks get poisoned(Malphite). Just sayin xD

flibitydoo7 votes

Vayne Q can't go through walls.

And the instances where she actually does Q through a wall are bugs/glitches.

That being said, this game is more focused on balance than realism.

SpecterVonBaren4 votes

It actually can, it's just that most walls aren't thin enough for her to do it.

Mecha MaIphite12 votes

{quoted}

Vayne Q can't go through walls.

And the instances where she actually does Q through a wall are bugs/glitches.

That being said, this game is more focused on balance than realism.

JarvanIV DEMACIA Vayne Cya nerd

Saixos3 votes

It is unable to go through any ingame walls, but is able to pass through some player created walls such as Jarvan's and Anivia's. She is able to stun against those player created walls.

Vesarixx3 votes

Not all in game walls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkET7N0zuUE I've tried this and it does work, it's just pretty hard to do

BallisticMouse2 votes

As explained, that's a bug.

Yorukin1 votes

Actually, the only dashes in the game (that I know of) that CAN'T go through walls belong to, believe it or not, Riven. Only her third Q can actually make the jump.

Eeyore2 votes

In my opinion she shouldn't be able to at all. She was annoying enough to chase with 4 dashes before she could go over any wall, and when she was first released and people were asking for Riot to "fix" her inability to go through walls: Riot said not being able to was the price of her mobility.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

in the beginning, she was bugged so that all her dashes could go through walls.

Captain Aishi1 votes

it was really weird though, it was like only the 2nd q that could go through the thin walls in front of dragon/baron pits, only the 1st and 3rd that could go through larger walls or something like that

Eeyore1 votes

No she didn't. The bug was only introduced when the did that massive overhaul to the no-clipping code so that dashes would be more generous around corners and stuff. I don't remember when specifically, but that patch was also when Alistar started Headbutting people through practically every wall (instead of only the thin ones).

EDIT: Actually, she may have been able to go through the really thin wall between Gromp and Dragon/Baron (if Gromp/Wight was even around, but you know where I mean). ...but even Vayne can get through that wall.

Kingsgrave4 votes

Her Ult really needs to pull everyone with her and not be interruptible

Would also be nice if it did Current Health damage

AbrahamBaconham6 votes

That'd pull her into FotM realm. Honestly, she's in a pretty good spot right now, all they need to do is make her CC immune like Sion or something while she's in the air.

Electro5223 votes

I agree. Simple CC immunity during the descent would be a perfect buff to her, and actually allow her to make some plays (i.e. jumping over a Sej ult).

RogueWill1 votes

if anything the CC shoudl hit after (like vi) to allow counterplay

Champion Skin1 votes

Aww but poor Thresh can't stop Shyvana ult then with his Flay And I think Thresh needs to played more... right?

Oh he is already the most played support? Never mind then

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Personally, I'd settle for her ult just bringing people with it fully. At the moment, it just kinda drops people off randomly up to half the distance.

Xela Syab2 votes

I wish they would just give her some kind of cc. She's the only bruiser that lacks cc and execution.

Nahara2 votes

Huh... I just checked, and she really doesn't... I always thought her E had a slow on it...

Phrixscreoth3 votes

Everyone kept REQUESTING a slow for her E, but it's never had one.

Ragnar423 votes

{quoted}

Everyone kept REQUESTING a slow for her E, but it's never had one.

heaven forbid you actually buy an item that gives her a slow of some-sort...item 3022 item 3025 item 3153 or perhaps an item that helps her keep up with someone kiting her through more speed...item 3078

Chaotic Reks1 votes

Mordekaiser

Chaotic Reks2 votes

IN SKYRIM DRAGONS FLY BACKWARDS

Lyrxen1 votes

In mine they fly upside down...

Spacesuit Spiff2 votes

I think moves like that should get an "interrupt priority" stat so that we can see what stops what just by comparing the numbers.

Sluiceway1 votes

You left out Lee Sin kicks. :)

But I agree, some champs should have immunity to CC for their ults, Zac and Shyvana (during the dive part).

Saianna1 votes

Her ult is lacking, but so is her "dragon breath" ability.. it should MELT FACES!

AbrahamBaconham2 votes

It does. You just have to AA people after you hit them with it. Seriously, with Devourer and BotrK, her shred is unreal.

Saianna1 votes

"You just have to AA"..........................................................

I meant it should deal huge damage just by itself. Like annies fire cone.. It's a dragon breath attack.. It shouldn't just buff her AAs.. :|

AbrahamBaconham1 votes

From a thematic perspective, I agree with you. But from a gameplay perspective, I feel like it'd shift her away from her "devour anyone you can catch" playstyle to less healthy "poke people down until you can all in them".

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

Have you seen if alistar's headbutt can do the same? I've noticed its stopped working against any dashes or jumps, it'll use the cd and mana, but it won't prevent them or even deal damage. Want to stop that jax from leap stunning your team? Too bad the headbutt didn't connect before the leapstrike started, o well.

junglerboy161 votes

that's when you Q first to interrupt and then headbutt.

The Paulrus1 votes

Also, left out Poppy charges. Know for a fact Alistar's knockup stops them dead.

Champion Skin1 votes

All knock ups and knock backs stops the last knock up, knock back or dash/leap as you can only be affected by one at a single time and Shyvana knock back happens after she has passes the enemy champion and then drags them with her... however this means she pretty much loses against all dashes with CC like Poppy E, Alistar W, Sejuani Q, Jarvan E + Q

Dreamsxord1 votes

I agree that the Ult shouldn't be interrupted since she doesn't have cc like other bruisers. The drag toward landing spot is also kind of underwhelming

Eeyore1 votes

Why? Because as far as game mechanics go: the most recent move block takes priority - i.e. dashes and airbornes. This is why you can knockup Tristana to interrupt her dash, or why Alistar can Headbutt+Pulverize. ...although, you'd think the dragon's knockback hitbox would be big enough that it should cancel Sejuani's charge and thus prevent it from knocking Shyvana out of hers... (this wouldn't solve Wukong, since his ultimate cannot be interrupted).

However, I've always believed her ultimate should make here immune to crowd control effects (like Vi, Jarvan, Nocturne, etc). Simply because, you know, SHE'S TRANSFORMING INTO A DRAGON!

Madman3571 votes

I agree, I think Shyv ult should get the Malph treatment honestly.

But having said that, trying to argue realism in LoL is a bit silly =P

Ravenhurst1 votes

i'm not arguing realism, though. i'm arguing DRAGON. lol

Wheatloaf1 votes

It's more entertaining when a Tristana falls out of the sky because some fat drunk guy slid into the ground 15 feet below her.

Champion Skin1 votes

The reason Shyvana loses... is because she drags people after her... so she goes over her victims before her CC hits... while other CC takes place on collision or and Wukong ult has bigger AoE then his model so he pretty much wins against all dashes and leaps

PatMcGroyn1 votes

Yeah, her ult needs to be uninterruptable. Given the state of the game, I think it would even be fair to make her R able to cleanse any CC she's affected by when she ults. Being hard to lock down and control seems pretty synonymous with being a dragon, no?

Ebonmaw Dragon1 votes

{quoted} .... and most people will agree that FLYING DRAGON > anything else as far as physics are concerned. What say you, Riot?

But Shyvana is not a Dragon.

She is a halfling, an impure blood, an abomination of the nature, an hybrid.

A half-human.

... A REAL DRAGON > anything else (.... except Smite summoner 11 .... Stupid smite...)

Big Bang Bob1 votes

Psst. Everybody know real dragons can't dash. They can breath fire, flap everyone away, and resist CC, but not dash.

Cia Is My Waifu1 votes

I really like the transformation aspect of her ult, I like the way it builds up. And I like it's not another always on form switch like Elise/Jayce/Nidalee that forces you to worry about 8 abilities. But the current bonuses during ult don't feel very satisfying.

Twin bite hitting all targets in a cone, Sounds awesome on paper, but how many clumped dragon Qs are you actually getting? And how many of those are just going to apply wits end and devourer or Botrk twice, just like your non ult form does, and then force you to go back to doing what you've been doing, mindlessly autoattack. Your abilities just don't feel like they matter in dragon form, Fire breath just serves as a means to add more shred damage for your double procs, while Fire spin is just a gapcloser and damage you'll never itemize for because your role doesn't allow for it. If anything, Dragon form firebreath should be an area slow or stun on hit instead of the same thing as usual but wider area. Give us some big fun spells to use like Gnar has.

Jaygo411 votes

I think the ONLY balancing reasoning that can come to mind that if it's going to be a "berserks moad" as athene would say and it's on a cooldown that fluctuates with combat then the first part of it can't really be that overwhelming...

You wanna talk underwhelming? nocturne ult.

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