For those of you wondering why riot hasn't nerfed vayne

CrazFight ·Jan 10, 2018·49 votes·3,926 views

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33 Comments

T4underboltJan 10, 201821 votes

That would be actually funny if it werent true, unfortunately and sadly its true.

Daddy AntsJan 11, 201810 votes

Funny but Meddler's already told us they are planning to hit the AD Final Hour (R) gives.

Faceroll TacticsJan 11, 20182 votes

Vayne is one of the few champions that doesn't need AD to melt faces, it's like removing a cherry from a cake

AngelNipataJan 11, 20183 votes

But then again, lower AD on her ult will mean that Vayne's current crit build won't be as strong. So the overall nerf means that she'll burst a bit less when using ult, unlike now where she can R+Q crit and then chunk a squishy for a third of their health

Troll for TrumpJan 11, 20189 votes

They're nerfing her soonish. Less AD on ult. Just released it with their gameplay thoughts.

Jinx HunterJan 11, 20188 votes

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They're nerfing her soonish. Less AD on ult. Just released it with their gameplay thoughts.

in before -3 AD

BestJhinUniverseJan 11, 20185 votes

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in before -3 AD

Only to be readded 2 patches later.

ElohavenJan 11, 20188 votes

This post reeks of salt when Riot stated they're nerfing her.

"For those of you who are too lazy to read Rioter posts on the boards"

My Waifu VanillaJan 11, 20185 votes

No man Riot never posts anything about anything and doesn't communicate at all.

LordGeovanniJan 12, 20181 votes

so when is Ao shin comming

WoodakoodashoodaJan 10, 20183 votes

Also why they buffed Yasuo.

Gotta make the big cash monies.

DarkMapacheJan 11, 20182 votes

But the main problem is her Silver Bolts skill, Final Hour might as well give no AD once she´s full build (actually, a lot before that)

Daddy AntsJan 11, 20189 votes

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But the main problem is her Silver Bolts skill, Final Hour might as well give no AD once she´s full build (actually, a lot before that)

According to champion.gg

17.15% of Vayne's damage is True damage.

Silver Bolts makes up LESS THAN 1/5th of Vayne's damage.

It's not a problem at all.

Faceroll TacticsJan 11, 20181 votes

That's counting damage to minions, damage to towers, even damage to wards. All things that don't usually or don't proc silver bolts at all.

Checking op.gg you'll notice that the many mages have a lot of their damage as physical

Lord BoltsJan 11, 20188 votes

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But the main problem is her Silver Bolts skill, Final Hour might as well give no AD once she´s full build (actually, a lot before that)

Bronze 4 tank player thinks Vayne's W is the problem.

Your OP.GG is full of Cho'gath and Nasus.

She's losing some AD off the ult, I'm expecting it to go down to 20/40/60 from 30/50/70.

nelogisJan 11, 20181 votes

Would rather like to see it to go down to:

10/20/30

Or be changed to:

Your AA's now deal an extra 1%/1.5%/2% of target max hp as true dmg

You know... so she is an actual tank shredder and doesn't Auto-Q-Auto people to death while being invis and having absolutely no counterplay other than having point and click hard cc because Riot thought removing the Pink Ward, which was the go-to counter against Vayne, because "Ppl didn't feel good getting countered by a 75g item" without actually ADDING any counterplay was a good idea so here we are where everyone doesn't feel good playing against this toxic cockroach of a champion

But cucking EVERY champion that relies on healing THE WHOLE GAME by buying a 800g/1000g item is totally acceptable because they for sure feel good getting outplayed by his opponents interactive and fun items.

But we can't remove them otherwise those healing slut supports will be too good and of course it is too much work to nerf them because the balance-team (or live design team how they like to call themselfes without knowing what that actually means) isn't getting payed to balance the game out, they are getting payed to see how long they can piss the community off before someone sends an assassin after them.

Or just remove the AD alltogether and nerf the other ADC's accordingly to set the power of ADC down in general (But I guess that is too much work again)

Daddy AntsJan 11, 20183 votes

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Would rather like to see it to go down to:

10/20/30

V4.13 Final Hour Bonus AD increased to 30 / 50 / 70 from 25 / 40 / 55

25 / 40 / 55 seems fair to me.

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But then again, lower AD on her ult will mean that Vayne's current crit build won't be as strong. So the overall nerf means that she'll burst a bit less when using ult, unlike now where she can R+Q crit and then chunk a squishy for a third of their health

My god how many times.... Q does not crit.

ACTIVE: Vayne quickly dashes toward the cursor's location, **causing her next basic attack **within 7 seconds to deal bonus physical damage.

Tumble's bonus damage will never critically strike regardless of whether or not the attack does.

The basic attack will have a chance to crit yes, just like most basic attacks can crit but the actual part of the attack that comes from Tumble will not.

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That's counting damage to minions, damage to towers, even damage to wards. All things that don't usually or don't proc silver bolts at all.

Checking op.gg you'll notice that the many mages have a lot of their damage as physical

Well let's say that 17.15% includes

Mountain Drakes
Red Buff

Red buff is probably what? A few % at most? Let's say 2% Mountain Drakes are probably like 3-5% as well.

That leaves 10-11% ish.

Silver Bolts isn't her main damage, not by a long shot.

Bob the ToastrJan 11, 20181 votes

I'm not sure you're understanding her Q properly. It is true that the bonus damage from the Q does not crit, however:

The triggering autoattack can still crit Statikk Shiv can still crit The bonus damage just applies on top of that

The Q is still incredibly bursty if you have item 3031 item 3087

Daddy AntsJan 11, 20182 votes

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I'm not sure you're understanding her Q properly. It is true that the bonus damage from the Q does not crit, however:

The triggering autoattack can still crit Statikk Shiv can still crit The bonus damage just applies on top of that

The Q is still incredibly bursty if you have

Of course the auto can crit, its still an auto attack.

Tumble just modifies the auto to do bonus damage.

If Tumble's modifier could crit thats when you'd see what happened at the end of season 6 and before 7.19.

Statikk Shiv is a busted item, I don't deny that. I'm all for Riot removing it's ability to crit

FütanariJan 12, 20181 votes

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V4.13 Final Hour Bonus AD increased to 30 / 50 / 70 from 25 / 40 / 55

25 / 40 / 55 seems fair to me.

My god how many times.... Q does not crit.

ACTIVE: Vayne quickly dashes toward the cursor's location, **causing her next basic attack **within 7 seconds to deal bonus physical damage.

Tumble's bonus damage will never critically strike regardless of whether or not the attack does.

The basic attack will have a chance to crit yes, just like most basic attacks can crit but the actual part of the attack that comes from Tumble will not.

Well let's say that 17.15% includes

Mountain Drakes

Red Buff

Red buff is probably what? A few % at most? Let's say 2% Mountain Drakes are probably like 3-5% as well.

That leaves 10-11% ish.

Silver Bolts isn't her main damage, not by a long shot.

Fair? She was fine. Just buff her counters like cait which needs it anyway. Or make her q crit again and remove the new ult adding 4 second thing

Daddy AntsJan 12, 20181 votes

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Fair? She was fine. Just buff her counters like cait which needs it anyway. Or make her q crit again and remove the new ult adding 4 second thing

No.

I don't want the Q crit mechanic back. Unhealthy mechanic.

FütanariJan 12, 20181 votes

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No.

I don't want the Q crit mechanic back. Unhealthy mechanic.

she was no op, not played in lcs, not high win rate etc.

Daddy AntsJan 12, 20181 votes

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she was no op, not played in lcs, not high win rate etc.

Caitlyn - Nerfed. Lane Bully capable of keeping Vayne in check. Draven - Lacks a decent Keystone. Lane Bully capable of keeping Vayne in check. Lucian - Nerfed. Lane Bully capable of keeping Vayne in check.

MissFortune - Nerfed. Deserved nerfs though. She's still super oppressive.

Take the item 3504 meta, Vayne was overshadowed by Tristana Twitch KogMaw and wasn't really a problem.

What puzzles me is, Tristana Twitch ruined Season 7 and escaped with no meaningful nerfs.

SnaketitsJan 11, 20182 votes

And yet they gutted Cass into unviability during the same patch when they finally released her only skin after 4.5 years of waiting - they're definitely playing favorites here.