Every time i see this champ, on my team or enemy, he goes absolutely apeshit and carries the game 1 v 9.
I didnt think he was that op until recently its gotten to where if he's not banned, he's gonna get picked (or so it feels like)
Am i just retarded and dont know how to play vs kass?
Or is he op and deserves a nerf of some sort
Shablagoo15 votesMan this is why assassins will always be shit, if one assassin does decent he will be hated by everyone, kassadin is an anit-mage if you choose a ad pick his passive doesnt apply and he gets stomped in lane.
GayFluffyUnicorn4 votesKassadin=all assassins? Nope. Everyone knows who and what kassa is when he is strong and he should always and only be a counterpick. Right now he has 53-54% winrate in diamond with a 15+% pickrate. He is clearly overpowered and several high elo players were pretty confused what riot smoked to buff this champ.
Shablagoo1 votesNo he is not all assassins, i never said that i said that when an assassin is strong ppl hate it and demand for it to be nerfed. If everyone knows who and what kass is then they should know that if you want to counter him choose ad its not hard, like most assassins cc really messes with them. The ppl complaining about him are mages in the mid lane that have fed him, if he is a counter-pick and all ap mage mid laners are doing well then he should be strong cuz he favors the meta look at champion.gg and look at the mage list http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend&roleSort=Middle you'll see that almost all the mages that kassadin counters are doing well so doesn't it make sense for him to be strong right now?
Melledoneus6 votesHe never said Kassadin is every assassin. He was simply pointing to the example of Kassadin to explain why assassins are either really broken or horrible.
nice table1 voteskek kassadin is good against zed, talon and yasuo so which ad mid do you suggest?
Handin Out Naps2 votesTalon, Pantheon, Jayce, Lucian and Ahri.
GGLineaR1 votesI can see Jayce pulling that off, but someone like Lucian will probably run into trouble if the enemy jungler has their computer monitor turned on.
Sniperkaj1 votesI play a lot Jayce mid, and Kassadin is by no means an easy matchup. He can survive till 6, gets quite tanky and outscales easily. If his jungler helps him a tiny bit, Kassadin wins lane quite easily. If you don't kill him pre-6 and is up 20+ CS, it's kinda over
Shablagoo1 votesJayce, Pantheon, anivia, annie(these arent ad btw ;), morg, malz, galio, and some more too look it up he isnt even doing well against most of the things he should be countering like ap.
nice table1 votesso the only ad that could be considered a mid laner thats good against kassadin is jayce. if you start pulling in top laners that can go mid in certain matchups all assassins have tons of bad matchups.
Shablagoo1 votesFunny how you ignore my other counter-picks, and so? First off any champion can play any role, thats why ziggs bot exists, talon in theory should be another counter-pick but i dont think he has the dmg.
nice table1 voteswe weren't talking about counter picks here we were talking about ad mids that are apparently good against kassadin. im not saying that kassadin has no counters im saying his good against ad mids.
Shablagoo1 votesWe were talking about counter-picks the whole reason i brought up ad mid laners was because op didnt know how to deal with him, I said ad picks are good( in theory apparently) because his passive wouldnt apply to them, though it would make things difficult in this meta because you pretty much need an ap on your team from all the armor. And are you arguing with me or am i not understanding you last comment seemed like you thought maybe kass was op but i cant really tell?
nice table1 voteswell you mentioned that "if you pick an ad champion kassadin gets stomped in lane" which is simply untrue so that was what i was arguing against. is kassadin broken? yeah he should be perma banned if people could play him which most people can't with his unique play style so the problem isn't as obvious yet but it will get worse.
Shablagoo1 votesBut it is true just cuz zed isnt as good doesnt mean pantheon,jayce, or talon arent. Jayce has more poke then kass, panth has good poke too along with dmg, talon might be a closer match up but he can win if played right. 3 of the 4 ad match ups beat him. And what bases do you have that he is broken? I dont see any stats saying he has a 54% winrate he is sitting at 50% right now. How is he broken, pre-6 he can be poked down by any long range mage. I just dont see it.
nice table1 votesjayce and talon are even matchups for kassadin and nowhere near "kasssadin gets stomped". also pantheon still isn't a mid laner and when a champion has a 40% ban ratio in dia+ there usually is a problem with that champion.
Shablagoo1 votesSee this is the problem i see with banrate, for example if a champion has a 53+ winrate and a 60% ban rate its obviously broken cuz the champion has a high winrate and ban rate like lulu had. But champions like fizz have a 49% winrate and a 60% banrate. His winrate isnt in the good tier but he is banned a lot why? Because he is annoying, i dont think ppl know this in leagues but compared to pro play, bans arent strategic they are for champions that are seen as annoying and some times( for the most part annoying). I know im going to get so much shit for this but its true, zed is not a strong champ right now but it says he has over a 50%+ banrate, beacause ppl find him annoying. I really dont think banrate should say much unless that have over 50+ winrate.
nice table1 votesa good indicator of annoyance bans is that the lower the MMR the higher the ban rate, this goes for your zed, yasuo etc. while its the opposite for kassadin.
Shablagoo1 votesNo a good indicator for annoyance is if they are banned in every elo even with a winrate that is lower then 50. Because it shows that regardless of what state the champion is in ppl still dont want to paly against it. If a champion is winning MORE than half of their games and has a high banrate that champ is broken. Kass has a 50% winrate so with what your stating the only way for him to be balance is if he has lower then 50% which i dont think should be. He is neither a high skill cap champion nor a champion that is so oppressive that you cant play against.
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nice table1 votesironically the higher the MMR the more the matchup favors kassadin, im sure you have stomped a fair amount of newbie kassadins as a zed main but by no means is the matchup good for zed.
Akali is SO HOT2 votesPeople hate all Assassins regardless of how good or bad they are.
Shablagoo2 votesYa its the sad truth ppl still think rengar is op....
Uwhtazn6 votesA long half season ago....
Riot invented lethality that gave flat armor pent based on the amount of lethality + enemy's based level armor. Mid and jungle assassins were a thing 
. OP champions mid and junglers that used to be good half a season then 
were at the assassins' and lethality's mercy. Even easy to play mages 
got destroyed.
Many adcs 
where no match for the meta except for the few 
and yes even 
dominated bot lane cause of leathality and old warlords.
Slowly the meta began to shift. Rengar, the broken rework, then got nerf. 
got their lethality stats nerf from 20 to 15. Zed and Talon were no longer the god tiers of mid and adcs that built lethality were also affected by the nerfs and longer bursted the non-lethality adcs. And with crit items getting reduce total cost, few of them got buff, allowing crit champions to return. As for Kat and Leblanc, Kat got her abilities nerf by increasing the cooldowns on her abilities. As for Leblanc, Riot nerf her W damage to the ground and was no longer the dominant Mage mid laner she once dominated since her release.
It was then the meta was returning to balance state. gained god annoying immortality, Fizz got buff, the Korean man in black 
is now the most broken adc 
until the new patch comes out. More players are going back to AP mid and Korea unleash the secret Void and brought 
back into game.
And that's why Kassidin is shitting people in this meta. But if I missed something that was important, add a side story in the comments, but make it informational.
GrReaper962 votesThis is..... beautiful......
ProvidenceNox3 votesHe got some small buffs recently and more people have been playing him, which is probably the reason you noticed him now. He was decent before the buffs, and many people are just finding out now that he wasn't so bad. The buffs were minor and he is definitely not OP, but he is a strong pick. His early game sucks and his late game is amazing so you just have to abuse his early lane phase, because like quite a few other hypercarrys he will hard carry if he reaches lategame. Also, counterpicks are a bit more extreme with Kassadin than with a lot of other champions. Because of his poor laning phase some champions can really shut him down (like anivia), but there are some champions he really just dumpster once he reaches level 6 too (like viktor), so make sure you choose a champion that can stand up to Kassadin. If you really don't want to play against him just ban him. Otherwards, you can counterpick Kassadin (If you're not in midlane, just play someone with CC), abuse his early game and try to win fast, CC him in teamfights, as he is really reliant on dodging stuff with his ult and will die pretty easily if he is locked down, and buy MR, as kassadin's burst is fast and if he can't kill you in a single rotation you can usually live.
Handin Out Naps3 votesYes Kass is too strong right now. Your only options for beating him are picking Talon, Jayce or Panth, and setting him behind while roaming to win other lanes. His early game just isn't as weak as it should be given how hard he scales.
AmazoX1 votesIf you find Kassadin early game strong and late game strong I wonder how much do you know about other champion's that are far better.
Handin Out Naps4 votesI never called it strong. I'm just saying it isn't as weak as it should be. He just straight up beats/goes even with all mages. Also Kassadin's late game is incredibly strong, he is a hyper carry idk what you are going on about.
AmazoX2 votesTypo on my part with ''Strong'' on early-game, What I'm saying is that if you find Kassadin OP then other champions who are far better than Kassadin EARLY-Game and LATE-game would be unbearable for you.
the weeaboo1 votesWhat about Zed, Yasuo, and literally any other AD midlaner?
Handin Out Naps1 votesKass shits on Yasuo. All you have to do in that matchup is max e and not get killed early. Your e will always be up because of spammy nature, and it cant be windwalled. On top of that your q blocks his e damage and your auto w just straight up out trades him if he wants to fight. Simply q his shield and if he ever tries to fight you q, auto, w, e then walk away. Just don't get cheesed early. Zed on the other hand isn't a terrible matchup it just isn't a counter. Unlike all his other ad counterparts that just kind of click on you Zed has to constantly hit his skill shots in lane. On top of that Zed just isn't a very good champ right now.
the weeaboo1 votesYasuo is a pain in the ass and will consistently shit on your team if you dont delete him right off the bat before a fight which will be difficult considering he'll probably go Mercs and Hexdrinker.
Zed just ults you and you are basically fucked if he's any good and places a W where you'll ult to, and prevent your escape. And I wouldnt say he is very bad atm considering he is in the top 10 highest banrates fairly consistently.
Shaydrox3 votesPick Talon/Zed/Yasuo/Kha midlane and he's fucked. Yes, even Kha mid works vs this guy, in fact anything AD works vs him. Saw a Kassadin face a Caitlyn mid once, the poor dude had 9 CS by the 10 minute mark and his turret was gone lol
Lyndris2 votesHe is weak pre 6, strong after, and an absolute monster post 11. Camp him (or get the jungler to) and shut him down. He is alot like Yi, he has tremendous scalings on ALL of his abilities. He his an ap hyper carry. HE WILL MAKE LATE GAME A NIGHTMARE
AwesomeGuyDj1 votesProbably. He's so good against ap laners that its recommended you start darkseal against them
the weeaboo2 votesYou get Dark Seal because your W gives you mana back based on your missing mana, which will be more mana if you increase your mana pool rather than mana regen. Also lets you get refillable which can later be upgraded into Corrupting potion if the lane becomes difficult or you want more poke damage with your Q+DFT.
LadyRenly1 voteskass is akali tier pre 6 you should be destroying him
Rock MD1 voteskass is akali tier pre 6 you should be destroying him
No he's not, lol.
DFT combined with his Q magic shield and passive make him very strong level 1, much like Viktor or GP.
And because of the damage he gets from DFT he can actually trade with AP midlaners pre-6.
Who is Taliyah1 votesYep. Totally horrible to lane against. You want to farm? Take a nice Q hit into the face with DFT to lose 1/4 - 1/5 of your health. Do this 3 times and you can almost recall.
Inb4
why you no attacking him He outdamages you with his Q getting a spellshield and outdamages you at level 2 when he picks E.
Colgate Gator1 votesHe's considered to be somewhat strong right now, yeah.
the weeaboo1 votesTake it from a guy who has been playing Kassadin since before the buffs, he was always like this. Only difference is lethality isn't strong anymore and Kass is the only champ that doesn't get ass-blasted by Ahri. If you want to beat him play any AD midlaner.
p.s. his winrate dropped again after the most recent change to his E
Euthenaasia1 votesTake it from a guy who has been playing Kassadin since before the buffs, he was always like this. Only difference is lethality isn't strong anymore and Kass is the only champ that doesn't get ass-blasted by Ahri. If you want to beat him play any AD midlaner.
p.s. his winrate dropped again after the most recent change to his E
Uh I don't get ass blasted by ahri
PokladnicaZla1 votesJust to note,Kassadin countering mages,shouldn't make the mages feel like shit.
Shablagoo2 votesWhy not he's their counterpick, he should give them a hard time
PokladnicaZla1 votesWhy not he's their counterpick, he should give them a hard time
There's a difference between having a hard time and wanting to rip your eyeballs out.
shicky971 votesI might be biased because I used to main him, but I really don't see the Issue with right now. According to http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/kassadin/all his global winrate in mid is 50.3% and his winrate in Diamond+ is 50.4%.
I'm seeing people complaining about him having a 54% winrate, but the stats indicate otherwise. The only people I can see hitting a 54% or higher winrate on him are the people that have played a ton of games on him, and it is pretty normal for experts on a champion to win more on them. Just look at Ivern; The average winrate for someone that has 100+ games on him is 60% and I don't see nearly as many complaint threads about him on here as I see for Kassadin.
shicky971 votesIf anyone wants further proof, http://champion.gg/champion/Kassadin/Middle says he has 50.22% global winrate, and https://na.op.gg/champion/kassadin/statistics/mid says he has a 50.84% winrate. Now I know winrate isnt everything, but it's the closest thing we have to an objective indicator of power level.
the weeaboo2 votesYes, his winrate dropped that 4% after the change to the E most recently which makes it much harder to hit, and feels almost clunky in comparison to his old one. It's much worse for chasing, you need to be right in their face to actually hit it.
May also be biased since I literally got two pentas in one game with him yesterday lol
the weeaboo1 votesHe has a slightly higher than 50% winrate (~50.4%). He's fine.
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