Now that cinderhulk is a thing, and a powerful one at that, can we plz revert that stupid 5 ad nerf on warrior now? Cinderhulk is better way better than it, and now even the magus enchant is getting reworked so its more useful. The warrior can stand its 5 ad brought back, I didn't understand that nerf in the first place.
On Your Side17 votesInstead of making huge changes, Riot has developed a new philosophy of just making small changes gradually. What they find is that sometimes a small change is actually enough, and if it isn't they'll continue to make small changes until the champion or item is where it's supposed to be.
I suppose you could buff Warrior, but is that really necessary? Are AD-centric junglers really in a bad place? I can't help but think they're viable enough as it is at the moment. Tank junglers are just favored because the jungle is one of the easiest places to solidify your front line without risking it falling behind in lane. And now that tanks are actually viable in the jungle, pure squish setups just aren't as good in comparison.
I don't think reverting the nerf will really accomplish the kind of change you're hoping for and would just give unnecessary power to the item. Cinderhulk also feels fine after the nerf.
Dreadlocks1 votesI agree with a lot of this but holy moly did they hurt leblanc lol. many are happy about this.. i'm indifferent about it. however i do think they should've only made the change to her W or E FIRST, not both at the same time.
LankPants10 votesholy moly did they hurt leblanc lol
Good. I hope I never see her again.
Aych Pii1 votesSaw her yesterday and got stomped. She's still around.
Only Play Darius3 votesWhoah, be careful what you wish for. I'm sure someone said these words about poor 
once, and currently both are sitting at 43% winrate.
And before you call me any mean names, just know that I absolutely despise LeBlanc, partly because the people who play her are obnoxious and rude, but I wouldn't wish a sub-45% winrate on any champ in the game, even if it's one that has a ridiculous # of escapes, the ability to 100-0 instantly, and the tendency to get super fed and snowball out of control.
masterdragon4811 votesI wouldn't call the change to her E a second nerf. It was a LONG withstanding, incredibly outdated, completely missing its hitbox spell that really hasn't been "nerfed" because its actually functioning the way it should now, as opposed to the complete horse crap that you could pull with it before.
Now all they need to do is give her a mana cost on her ultimate like a good mana using champion and we'll be all set /s
But actually, her ulti should have a mana cost.
I also REALLY hate leblanc.
Dreadlocks1 votesHave you seen amumu's or morganas Q hitboxes?
Only Play Darius1 votes[{quoted}](name=On Your Side,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W5bpxpW1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-06-13T17:14:59.279+0000)
Instead of making huge changes, Riot has developed a new philosophy of just making small changes gradually.
Ser Garland2 votesIt's not that AD centric jungles are in a bad place, but I'm seeing AD jungles that SHOULD be taking warrior, and they're taking Cinderhulk instead.
TwitchInMyPants4 votesI've been playing for years and Riot just does not revert changes ever, they just try and rework problems into something new regardless of whether it creates a new problem. It makes interesting meta shifts tho at times it can get pretty bad. Tho tbh a lot of AD junglers just use cinderhulk since its way better for their waveclear and the defensive stats means less risk.
Aych Pii1 votesThat was true a few patches ago, but that's a terrible idea now. Warrior junglers are back, even in professional play, and ready to go toe to toe with the tanks.
(It was also a terrible idea then because it made early ganks impossible and if you wanted a tank you should have been playing another champion, but I digress. It was done, that is true.)
Lissama3 voteswarrior is fine lol
Irelia Bot1 voteswarrior is fine lol
It is fine being not used basically never?
Erockandroll3 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W5bpxpW1,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-13T19:08:14.264+0000)
It is fine being not used basically never?
Go watch the LCS if you want to see it used. Rek'sai and Eve, seem to use it to pretty good effect.
And something tells me that their are other problems if your complaining about a mere 5 AD. That not even a long swords worth of stats. I'm convinced that Riot will give it some kind of interesting passive, cause with Cinderhulk and now RuneGlaive, Warrior will be the most Boring Jungle item out their, regardless of it's actual Balancing.
Lissama1 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W5bpxpW1,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-13T19:08:14.264+0000)
It is fine being not used basically never?
Bcz ciderhulk is broken, but warrior is not bad.
Abyssphere1 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W5bpxpW1,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-13T19:08:14.264+0000)
It is fine being not used basically never?
Warrior is not in the never used spot. Unless you think Cinderhulk literally makes up 100% of jungle picks, Warrior is used, because it's miles ahead of Magus and Devourer.
Don't exaggerate, Warrior not being the best enchant doesn't mean it's bad.
Aych Pii1 votesMagus is actually an exceptionally good item, insanely gold efficient. The only reason it's never used is because AP junglers are bad in general.
Only Play Darius1 votesUnless you think Cinderhulk literally makes up 100% of jungle picks
You must not watch LCS huh....
Abyssphere1 votes[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W5bpxpW1,comment-id=0002000000020001,timestamp=2015-06-14T04:20:48.919+0000)
You must not watch LCS huh....
I do, that's a big reason why it's obvious to me that Cinderhulk is not the only choice. Lee Sin builds Warrior and still gets picked, Evelynn is popular right now and builds Warrior and Rek'Sai swaps between Cinderhulk and Warrior based on the game. It's not going ignored as an item just because it's no longer the #1 and it is objectively better than both Magus and Devourer. Advocate buffing them, they're the actually ignored items.
Focus Teemo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Irelia Bot,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=W5bpxpW1,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-06-13T19:08:14.264+0000)
It is fine being not used basically never?
"not used basically never" so its always used? Double negatives OP!
EvilRabbitt3 votesI'd prefer +5 armor pen to +5 ad personally....
Lugg2 votesNerf cinderhulk then. Change the health buff from 25% to 20%. Then things are back to even.
Erockandroll4 votesNerf cinderhulk then. Change the health buff from 25% to 20%. Then things are back to even.
That's doesn't change the fact that Early game power from Warrior was hit. And that's how Cinderhulk Fights warrior, Because it spikes late game. and 25% isn't even that much, your would need 3 more items or so Just to get 500 health passively. That ratio is fine. If anything, if CinderHulk is competing against Warriors Early game power, then it's base health should be nerfed, not it's scaling.
Lugg3 votesEarly game, most of the people who get Cinderhulk don't have the armor as well. So you can still do really good damage to them.
Crett1 votesThat's doesn't change the fact that Early game power from Warrior was hit. And that's how Cinderhulk Fights warrior, Because it spikes late game. and 25% isn't even that much, your would need 3 more items or so Just to get 500 health passively. That ratio is fine. If anything, if CinderHulk is competing against Warriors Early game power, then it's base health should be nerfed, not it's scaling.
I would be ok with no base health on Cinderhulk if they made it 35% 8) I only slightly want to break the game
Aych Pii1 votesIt's actually quite a lot, Cinderhulk becomes more than 100% gold efficient with one Warmog's or two of pretty much any other item that gives health and then only gets better from there. A Randuin's - Visage - Righteous Glory setup gives you a total of 375 health from the passive alone, which added to the starting 375 gives you almost as much health from Cinderhulk as you'd get from a Warmog's- for 1400 gold. Now imagine if you added an actual Warmog's to the top of that pile... Late game Cinderhulk is an insanely good item, but it's well balanced. It starts out inefficient early game and slowly works its way up, instead of being instantly efficient and a huge powerspike like Magus and Warrior.
That's still a fuckton of health though.
Variks the Loyal2 votesImo, they should just change it. Compared to Cinderhulk, Runeglaive, and Devourer, it's just... Boring. Each of the others feel unique. Warrior is just a ball of stats.
Slamurai Jack1 votesIt needed to happen. If they don't nerf warrior, everyone would have continued to spam warrior junglers even after Cinderhulk came out and it would've taken far longer to realize just how strong cinderhulk was. Not to mention we would have had to endure another month or so of the Lee/j4/Reksai/Vi QQ train.
YOU BEEN WARNED1 votesI mean I agree with you but god your language. I'll refrain from upvoting because of that.
Samflash31 votesAlso make Cinderhulk burn work only when attacking or being attacked pls.
NorthernDruid1 votesEh, change it around so it's not just a Brutalizer but using the same item slot as your jungler item.
The most interesting thing would've been to give it a spellblade effect. But that's kind of out of the question now with Runeglaive.
So give it some other interesting passive to make it not just a 
with 15 more AD.
Only Play Darius1 votesIKR! The warrior enchant and the junglers who used them 
all got nerfed because they were dominating the jungle. In reality they really weren't overpowered, they were just the only junglers that were viable, since they were the only ones who could clear well and have half-decent itemization. Riot for the longest time early S5 didn't want to make drastic changes, so they settled for nerfing what was strong. Eventually they realized they NEEDED to make big changes, so they did the right thing and released a great tank enchant and made changes to monsters that allowed tank junglers to clear them properly. Unfortunately they forgot to undo the numerous individual nerfs that they were hoping would remove the need to rework the tank enchant.
LtHoiz1 voteswho would go for Warrior enchant if theres actually Black Cleave
RisenDarkKnight1 votesMeanwhile devourer hasn't recovered from the warwick nerf. Down to 25 base damage from 40. Does anyone actually use devourer in ranked?
