Janna nerfed so hard...

Calm Breeze··5 votes·791 views

Okay, so I mained Janna since season 2. No, I'm not good as I'm only Gold 5, but I still think my Janna is decent. I used to have a 7.2 kda on lolking. Now it's went down to a 5.3. The skill build order was almost always the same... start E, then W, then Q or against an engage support lane like Leona or Alistar, start E, then Q, then W. You max E first then W, then Q. Basic stuff. But right now, Janna's old shield that had a cd of 9 seconds is now 18 seconds. Even with the 5% cdr you start with and extra 5% you get from runes and 5% from ancient coin when starting the cd is still ridiculous. I used to be able to shield the jungler twice for a leash. Now it's limited to an absolute one and no chance of getting a second one in. When her shield is level 1 she can only shield less than 4 times a minute. At level 2 it's about 4 times she can use it a minute. I used to be able to block the majority of poke champs damage like sona and E almost every time they used a skill. Now I can't do that at all. Yes Janna scales much better than before because her passive now scales with move speed, but her shield is practically unusable in lane now. It's to the point where I've been maxing W and treating her more as a poke champ recently, and I feel I've been getting better results doing that. I feel all of this happened because of all that sudden hype about Janna and ardent censer being op. Everyone started banning her frequently in silver/gold queques as if they just found out she's a decent support. The thing that ticks me off the most is ardent censer was amazing A LONG time ago, and no one gave it as much attention as they did during that brief time where "Janna was broken". So now I ask... RIOT... why did you break my champ? It's so hard being a Janna main now when the lane is so reliant on ganks unless you max W first.

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AmetDeCrypt3 votes

nerf the item, nerf the champion, then don't care about anything. that's how riot works.

WolfChases2 votes

Take Ezreal as an example for this. They nerfed pretty much every single item he abused yet they didnt fix Ez so he cant abuse items.

Shadòw2 votes

Oh no the champ that has been busted for seasons finally got it's deserved nerfs what a shame item 3070

AmetDeCrypt3 votes

it's alongside the nerfs to the item that made her so strong, and it wasn't even her shield people complained about, it was her ult giving it for a good chunk of a teamfight to everyone on her team, they then nerfed the item, then nerfed it again, then again, and nerfed janna along with it. I was never the best janna player and even I can say she's in a far worse state than she was before. I can take lulu into lane and just shit on her early.

some buffs I think she should get if you're listening riot is don't make her AD break upon the shield breaking, but perhaps a few seconds after, so it's at least a duration guaranteed actual extra damage.

Shadòw2 votes

She shouldn't get anything. She is still sitting on 52% wr.

And her Shield combined with her Ult has always been a problem, and not item 3504. Just the safety she brings without needing any kind of skill.

Catastrop2 votes

You mained Janna since S2 and you're only G5?

Calm Breeze1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wind Element,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vwq22z3l,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-11-25T12:21:10.353+0000)

What's up with all the BM in this post? Lol I clearly stated I'm not good because I'm only Gold 5. Janna is not freelo. You still have to know how to use her. And setting up the tornadoes and timing them or doing her combo of ulting them into her setup tornado gives her a high skill cap. Noob Jannas just try to tornado people directly and just spam shield for a win.

Hochelaga1 votes

I still max E before W with great results. What are the runes that you're using on Janna ? Perhaps going aerie isn't always the best solution for her.

Calm Breeze1 votes

I've have multiple setups for her:

  1. These are runes when I know they don't have many assassins or burst champs so I think I can kite easily: Summon Aery --> (Manaflow Band, Celerity, Gathering Storm) Domination --> (Zombie Ward, Relentless Hunter)

  2. These are runes when I think their team has a lot of champs that can pick me off: Guardian --> (Font of Life, Conditioning, Revitalize) Inspiration --> (Biscuit Delivery, Celestial Body)

  3. When their team has a lot of crowd control these are the runes I use: Unsealed Spellbook --> (Biscuit Delivery, Magical Footwear, Cosmic Insight) Domination --> (Zombie Ward, Ingenious Hunter)

Kleptomancy is also viable on her in my opinion because it's really easy to proc after using W. Just keep spamming that with some shields to prevent any attempts to poke back and you're gold... literally. It gets her items really fast.

Slythion1 votes

52.72% wr 9.23% playrate on champion.gg

49.7% wr 7.98% playrate on op.gg

51.3% wr 10.8% playrate on leagueofgraphs

my dude, she's still one of the best supports in the game, she's just finally not completely busted after several years of consistent +54% winrate. Your freelo janna abusing days are over, now you actually have to win by playing a relatively balanced champion :p

Calm Breeze1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wind Element,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vwq22z3l,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-11-25T12:21:10.353+0000)

What's up with all the BM in this post? Lol I clearly stated I'm not good because I'm only Gold 5. Janna is not freelo. You still have to know how to use her. And setting up the tornadoes and timing them or doing her combo of ulting them into her setup tornado gives her a high skill cap. Noob Jannas just try to tornado people directly and just spam shield for a win.

Linkttp1 votes

I would like to see lower heal from her ult but to compensate revert her passive nerf so she has a chance against aggro lanes. Just a thought.

Calm Breeze1 votes

I honestly wouldn't mind if there was no heal on her ult if they reverted her back to her old self. They completely ruined her early game so she has close to no chance against aggro lanes.

Calm Breeze1 votes

What's up with all the BM in this post? Lol I clearly stated I'm not good because I'm only Gold 5. Janna is not freelo. You still have to know how to use her. And setting up the tornadoes and timing them or doing her combo of ulting them into her setup tornado gives her a high skill cap. Noob Jannas just try to tornado people directly and just spam shield for a win.

Slythion1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wind Element,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vwq22z3l,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2017-11-25T12:21:10.353+0000)

What's up with all the BM in this post? Lol I clearly stated I'm not good because I'm only Gold 5. Janna is not freelo. You still have to know how to use her. And setting up the tornadoes and timing them or doing her combo of ulting them into her setup tornado gives her a high skill cap. Noob Jannas just try to tornado people directly and just spam shield for a win.

She's freelo because you can literally just "tornado people directly and just spam shield for a win". Her skill cap is irrelevant which is why literally no one on this thread has mentioned it. Her (reasonable) bare minimum is extremely easy and extremely effective. Always has been and always will until the meta directly counters her (almost never happened) or she gets a rework (there's a longggg line ahead of her).

She is statistically a top 5 support, and almost always is. She's been freelo for seasons, and you do actually have to try on the champion now that diving supports (aka, Leona) are meta and adc's have lost power to some degree. There's no bm, just blunt truth

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