Lee's Ultimate is getting nerfed on PBE!

FostXTV·Dec 8, 2016·158 votes·20,925 views

www.surrenderat20.net/2016/12/128-pbe-update.html

Lee Sin Dragon's Rage (R) damage lowered to 150/300/450

Just to see some Yasuo nerfs and this Christmas will be the best one EVER!

205 Comments

RexSaurDec 8, 201671 votes

It better go live.

His ult probably needs some CD increase aswell.

FostXTVDec 8, 201633 votes

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It better go live.

His ult probably needs some CD increase aswell.

True, 36 seconds for that high impact ultimate is way too low.

JoeMGDec 8, 201634 votes

Yea low CD ults are the worst, right? Lux

NiaphimDec 8, 201637 votes

yep Yasuo

CresmontDec 9, 201622 votes

as a yasuo main, until late game, for being a conditional ult, its a decent cd (till you get lvl 3 then its bullshit XD)

ALSO, let me be the first yasuo main to admit, the fact that he can ult out of tower range is bullshit :^( I feel bad whenever I use it

yay nibbersDec 9, 201623 votes

But you don't have a single Yasuo game in your match history...

CresmontDec 9, 20162 votes

its called other accounts buddy got perma cuz of stupid stuff : P

yay nibbersDec 9, 20166 votes

So you got permabanned then decided never to play Yasuo again? Excuse me if I still don't buy it.

junglerboy16Dec 9, 20168 votes

Getting banned from servers is different than banned from boards.

CresmontDec 9, 20162 votes

4789 koreansmurf8751 I have others but yeah, got this current acc from a friend, doenst have yasuo on it just got it about 2 weeks ago so ye : P still grinding out the ip for yasuo OmO

ThePerson76Dec 9, 20165 votes

Account sharing?

KingnewgameplusDec 9, 201612 votes

You know, at least lux's ult is just damage. Lee's ult is a potential 5 man knockup that only has 6 more seconds of cd.

LimrickDec 9, 20165 votes

And it has higher base damage and better scaling.

yay nibbersDec 9, 20163 votes

And it's melee range. Oh wait, that's not an "OP" quality...

ZerefDec 9, 20164 votes

Sorry, did you want it to have the same range as Lux? lmfao

LeetriDec 9, 20164 votes

That's their point, the other people are only listing the strengths of Lee Sin's ultimate while completely ignoring the main strength of Lux ultimate; her absolutely massive range. Lee Sin might deal more base damage, but he can't snipe someone with it from half a lane away. Also, Lee Sin doesn't build pure glass-cannon like Lux does so her ult does more damage anyway.

SH AzykanDec 9, 20164 votes

ofc I can snipe someone with lee ult, havent you ever kicked a tanky support into their adc to secure a kill? :P

LeetriDec 9, 20161 votes

I don't play Lee Sin, but still, he needs to be in melee range of the tank then.

LimrickDec 10, 20162 votes

Given that most tanks are immobile and Lee is one of the most mobile champions in the entire game, that isn't hard.

LimrickDec 10, 20163 votes

Lux's ult has literally one advantage over Lee's, and that's range. Hers is a skillshot that has a delay. His is point-and-click with a delay. Hers is 450 base at rank 3. His is (currently) 600 at rank 3. Hers has a 70% AP scaling. His has 200% Bonus AD scaling.

His scaling is so ridiculously high that he can build one damage item with a measly 60 AD and still do ridiculous damage with it. Not to mention that his ult is CC, and does %max health damage to everything it touches. You can't even flash it, but he can flash to change the direction.

Lux's ult is by no means bad, but Lee's is infinitely more powerful.

AudiomancyDec 10, 20162 votes

You can also react to Lux's ult.

Lee's? Lol. Have fun dodging that.

ZerefDec 9, 20169 votes

Except Lux's ult doesn't provide heavy cc + damage

Daddy AntsDec 9, 20169 votes

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Except Lux's ult doesn't provide heavy cc + damage

And a lux ult can be walked out of.

Lee Sin's point and click ult with knockup can't.

Baron PerenoldeDec 10, 20164 votes

Don't forget the suppression effect.

OyddAWqJ5rDec 9, 201669 votes

Dw it will go live. I can see it now:

#Patch 7.0

Lee Sin Dragon's Rage (R) damage lowered to 150/300/450

#Patch 7.1

LeeSin Lee Sin

"We felt Lee Sin's Ult was doing too much upfront damage before last patch so we shaved a bit off. But nowadays Dragon's Rage is feeling really lackluster. So instead of returning its raw damage we're taking the opportunity to give a small QoL boost to his Ults so Lee can feel a little better when his combo doesn't 100-0 his target."

Yo-yo Rage!: Dragon's Rage (R) can now be reactivated like the rest of his skills, causing the target to be knocked back to it's original location--retaining the ally-knock-up effect along the way.

Cost: 0 Energy (same as first cast)

LatetotheRaceDec 9, 201622 votes

plz plz no. For the love of all that is holy, hide that post lest the rioters get any ideas.

CaffeintDec 10, 20162 votes

made my day

Mostro GalloDec 9, 20164 votes

His ult ~~probably~~ **needs **some CD increase aswell.

I've been saying this for like 3 seasons

Ariel the CruelDec 9, 201636 votes

this Christmas will be the best one EVER!

Last year they disabled Zed, Riven, and Yasuo.

Simultaneously.

For more than a day.

dominusxDec 8, 20166 votes

Kennen Poppy Syndra Hecarim Twitch nerf these fkn stupid champs too aswell so the game is fkn playable again

SkyblazeHydraX3Dec 8, 201638 votes

Poppy: Uncharged ult getting its damage literally cut in half. Syndra: Getting looked at as we speak, currently her W and ult got balance changes. Hecarim: Riot knows he's too strong, even after the nerfs to CoC. Gonna get looked at. Twitch: Already got nerfed this very patch.

Be patient. Riot listens, but they have to consider the feedback of millions over numerous metas, divisions, and levels of play before they take action.

dominusxDec 8, 20167 votes

kennen? no right? big lcs plays right? lane bully hyper carry that presses 3 buttons and kils everything with only counterplay beeing 2-3 champs wth direct disengage with low cast times

SkyblazeHydraX3Dec 8, 201621 votes

Kennen got indirectly nerfed by Protobelt getting a serious nerf to its direct damage. Then Rylai recently got nerfed, massively reducing Kennen's ability to keep people in range (because his only ability that can proc it multiple times is his ult) on top of its raw stat reductions.

Champions can be nerfed in ways besides changing their numbers directly. Sometimes indirect changes are all it takes. If Kennen needs changes, he'll get them in due time.

RiotRiot AxesDec 9, 201661 votes

We're working on Kennen as well.

warpenguin555Dec 9, 201618 votes

Jayce?

Ad Vitam AeternaDec 9, 20169 votes

Holy fuck, that manaless demon is getting a nerf. WOOOOO

Impish YordleDec 9, 20162 votes

You did nerf him already by changing Rylais.

MysticFlameHazeDec 9, 20168 votes

Kennen never needed either of those items to do well

Shadow HazardDec 9, 20163 votes

I find that hard to believe that is a smart choice with protobelt already taking a nerf in the preseason, and rylia's recently getting a nerf too both pretty core on kennen, not to mention he lost the extreme presence he had in pro play (thanks jayce..../s).

BoundaryBreakerDec 9, 20161 votes

actually, the rylais change doesnt hurt him too terribly much. Yeah, less AP but the biggest time you wanted the slow was an AoE anyways so already had the 20%

KarbuncleDec 9, 20164 votes

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actually, the rylais change doesnt hurt him too terribly much. Yeah, less AP but the biggest time you wanted the slow was an AoE anyways so already had the 20%

Actually AOE had a 40% slow for 1 second,single target had 40% for 1.5 seconds,and dot/pets was 20% for 1 second

SH AzykanDec 9, 20162 votes

not crippling the AD kennen build right? right now with all the ap reductions, in certain matchups I feel like AD is the only way to go (anyone who can rush hexdrinker or is named Galio/Vlad)

mikemcpartyDec 9, 20163 votes

You are nerfing kennen? Really.... Without an entire team comp centered around him, he is essentially ineffective.

Rew711Dec 9, 20163 votes

I honestly feel bad for Kennen. He finally gets into the meta and is quickly just brushed to the side once again by the nerf hammer. Can't we just add some buffs to the supposed counters for these champions?

MikuSanDec 9, 20165 votes

Kennen isnt even that strong, its the items that were op on him, now theyve been nerfed, kennen is fine, dont touch him-

ZepperDec 9, 20161 votes

Poppy isn't getting any nerfs, her ult was like that from the beginning, just a tool tip change

SkyblazeHydraX3Dec 9, 20162 votes

Nope. The halved uncharged damage is new, but the halved duration for the uncharged knockup was already there.

bbQsauçeDec 8, 20165 votes

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ShaydroxDec 8, 201635 votes

They actually held back on many changes to him in the past because the community LIKES him, despite the fact that he was sometimes broken and the nerfs would have been justified.