Convince me that ADCs are OP with evidence rather than rhetoric

"i had 500 armor and twitch killed me in 3 autos," says the tank player

"i had ldr and 300 ad and this mid laner is literally unkillable just because he bought tabis," says the adc player

There hasent been a single thread with video evidence. I've searched the match history and background of almost every adc complaint thread and the person making those threads are usually some person who was 0-8 complaining about the 14-5 Xayah.

People have done the numbers and have shown that Adc core items are among the cheapest, which is a problem because they are suppose to be late game characters that scale with items.

You can see that they rather have items than levels because they split a lane with a support, lowering their overall experience compared to a solo lamer.

Another point would be that there are more anti-auto attack items in the game then there are of any item archetype, which could be argued that Riot sees that they are a huge threat, but could also argue this make Adcs weaker.

This is coming from a jungle main and adc secondary person.

ADCs are, for the most part, numerically stronger than they were in previous seasons. There's a confluence of multiple factors here.

-Less gold buys the same items.

-Through the season transition, many champions lost some armor when they were given hp/lvl over base AR to compensate for the loss of runes.

-The loss of MR blues disproportionately affected rageblade carries and made them spike harder on rageblade. This is slight, but relevant. Same applies to ADCs with magic damage on some abilities (cough Ezreal early in the season cough)

-Zeke's Convergence is actually bonkers.

-Knight's Vow means ADCs are harder to kill than they were before the item existed.

-Bloodline rune is a lot of free lifesteal not previously available.

-Gathering Storm is a lot of free damage. Unlike fervor, you also don't have to sacrifice the survivability of Fleet to buy into this free damage.

-Supports now don't need to dump gold into their sightstone, which increases the powerlevel of bot lane overall, helping the ADC indirectly. (More gold can go into items that help the AD not die.)

-Backline-diving bruisers aren't favored right now (most of them lack a good keystone).

-It's standard to not build a full defensive item anymore, whereas at full build ADCs used to buy old GA, Banshee's Veil, etc.

-Locket being stronger than before makes it harder to burst backline carries or try to take out the backline out of the fight with abilities like Equalizer. Redemption also kinda helps with this.

I could go on for a while, but there's a metric ton of small things like this that come together to make ADCs strong in their current state. I don't know for sure if they're overpowered, but I don't think there's much question they're getting more offensive stats than they used to for similar amounts of gold, and more survivability and damage from the rest of the team's itemization, when compared to previous seasons.

1. Low-Cost High-Efficiency itemization: Adc's have the lowest costing item pool of the entire game, and gleen way too many rewards from so little gold.
2. DPS vs Burst: Bursty mages have to wait for cooldowns on their spells before they're viable again. Adc's can dish out damage constantly.
3. Lack of Counterplay: Adc's also have access to many items that help keep them alive and protected, again with that (relatively) low gold cost. For example, . These all give lifesteal, while one protects them from mages and crowd control* while the other provides movement speed through an active item.

This is just a boiled down summary, I could go on for DAYS about the state of adc's in this season and last.

-EDIT- *forgot to mention the qss effect on Mercury Scimitar

ADCs aren't overpowered, by themselves. But they are the most reliable source of damage and since bot lane starts as duo, they have someone that will provide them shields, heal etc turning a fed ADC into a juggernaut. This is because a lot of ADC have mobility skills, which is great to kite and stuff 1v1 but with a good sup by their side those mobility skills turn into nightmare

The better question is, what does it even matter when you have an ADC on both teams and you are allowed to team up with team mates of your choice to take objectives?

I've seen many games where top + jungle were able to make up for a weak bot lane.

But on the boards it's always: I play top and I can't deal with the enemy bot lane. I play mid and I can't deal with the enemy bot lane. I play jungle but I can't deal with the enemy bot lane.

Ever heard about teamplay? "The botlane" is not 1 player with a collective mind. They are 2 and it takes more than 1 player to outperform them.

I don't think that adcs are op its more like the support shields and healing make it nearly impossible for assassines or bruisers to kill them.

On the other hand you re pretty much screwed without a proper support in team fights. Thats why I hate mage supports. They are strong in the lane but a free kill later unless they have only squishies.

As a support / adc main I have a lot easier time to carry as support because even if the adc is bad the support can still carry nearly solo. But if the support is bad then you are so fucked as adc. Without peeling you are dead in 1 second. Supports have too much impact on the game in my opinion.

ADCs are op btw

notice how much of Nasus' frail HP bar jinx deals with every attack and how little he deals back in comparison

watch any professional tournament that is how i gained respect for em i still don't play them all that much but yeah i can 100% tell you that a fed adc is a OP adc. they are capable of out bursting assassins shredding tank and turning team fights in seconds. now if your talking about "OP need nerf", (just thought about this mid typing) not really they are ok where they are at.

Look at your match history. Are there any wins where your botlane fed? Or defeats where your botlane won? I can't find any in my own match history.

Overall ADCs scale too good right now, even lategame adcs like Kog'maw come online after only Rageblade. Lategame, they have dps so high they outburst a lot of burst focused champions. For example, I was playing Orianna when the enemy Tristana jumped in, killing me before my ult animation finished. ADC itemization is cheaper than bruiser or mage itemization, while scaling better as well.

Supports are way too focused at supporting the adc over the rest of the team. Items like are completely focused around the adc, and many supports give either AD or on-hit - so they are forced to use the spells on the adc to gain full value.