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Attention Shyvana Mains! Shyvana changes on the PBE!

Solari Fortune··38 votes·5,069 views

Lower the pitch forks and let me share them with you. Just keep in mind it not fully listed out yet Also keep in mind these changes are EXPERIMENTAL and are not guaranteed to make it to live Stats: Base health "increased" to 595 from 594.6 Base health regen "increased" to 1.72 from 1.7188 Passive: Now has effects based on the elemental Drakes ( not yet implentended) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw8Am7VUAAAk_W-.jpg Q: Same old Same old W: Dragon form no longer leaves a trail, but is larger than normal. but although not mentioned in the tool tip. is auto applying the E mark to those caught in burnout while you are in dragon form https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1uv8iSsjgDk/WCT0hR70riI/AAAAAAAAX2Q/eEvjgCwhyPI2gkKA-r3qMflHhi-Dyh2-QCLcB/s1600/shyvanaw.jpg E: Now stops on the first enemy champion hit with the same mark damage of 2.5% max health magic damage Dragon form has been changed from a cone to a single burst with much more range than before and at the end of its path or upon hitting the first enemy champ it scorches the ground causing enemies to take damage while upon it. Still applies the Mark https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kodSZmjv2rY/WCTuAx02u1I/AAAAAAAA_uI/HqhYhBUhurQCoAz867j0QYnQcewCcHZqwCLcB/s1600/fstezLv%2B%25281%2529.jpg R: Now grants Health for when you go Dragon (Also you grow in dragon size with each level so lvl 16 you are a big dragon) https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_NSVSS9mC-c/WCT0hY1iUnI/AAAAAAAAX2M/lyj1sc4vb2UM1x4im6Cc5UPxA0yUwPnZgCEw/s1600/shyvanar.jpg Also in my testing of the changes I ulted and was hit by CC mid flight, normally this stops you dead, but a little message appeared saying "cannot be disabled" https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8e060e2d62ffa9cf7e40aaeb6c61a9dba03471648b186ad87d5dbbb1322d4356.png

For those concerned about her being "useless if no dragons are gotten" https://i.gyazo.com/aaa76e818f33d71e5e51cf2f4268d72a.png

101 Comments

Ralanr21 votes

That passive is too RNG reliant imo.

TyrekGoldenspear10 votes

Well even if she got 0 drags, it's still an improvement over her old one imo.

Ralanr3 votes

Not really. The old one still provided something, this one requires at least one dragon to get a benefit.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

True, a little armor and magic resist never hurt anyone.

But if her team is doing bad enough to not get any dragons I think they're not going to win anyway.

Besides, she's Shyvana. Of course she'll get drags. She can solo them so early. :D

RogueWill4 votes

Honestly I'm glad i cant be stopped midair anymore. That was really really annoying how a big dragon was stopped by pretty much everything

Ralanr8 votes

Shyvana: RAAAAAAAR Blitzcrank Uppercuts her in the throat. Step off, fleshbag.

Zenthon Prime9 votes

I think you seriously underestimate the power boost that new passive gives her. Every drake except Ocean gives a fantastic bonus, and even Ocean is alright.

Also, if you're playing Shyv and you don't get even a single dragon, you have far worse issues than your passive, given that you pick Shyv for jungle control. She can easily solo them at early levels too.

Ralanr9 votes

I'm not saying the passive isn't powerful. I'm saying that it's RNG reliant.

Zenthon Prime10 votes

So are the dragons. They work fine. There is no reason her passive (which works in the exact same way) would be any different.

Ralanr3 votes

I just find it odd that her passive is RNG reliant.

50000000000000004 votes

RNG itself isn't bad. When RNG's impacts are small (like TF's passive) or the impacts create new interesting situations, the RNG is fine.

RocketRelm1 votes

TBH, I kind of feel like the Infernal drake boost is significantly better than the others. Unless the tooltip is misleading, that's not 5% true damage to Champions, that's 5% true damage conversion, Period.

It'll help split push better, because usually your minions tank aggro while you raze towers. Extra damage also means extra/easier sustain v monsters. Especially because your ult isn't gated by cool down, the cool down is of minimal use, never minding the potential to surge past the 40% cdr cap, and the oddity of '5% cdr' which ritohas otherwise mostly removed. It's not 'strictly' better than Air, but really… 5% slow resist, or 5% True Damage? I don't think there's a single champion in the game that wants the former over the latter, and definitely not Shyvana.

The Blue Rajah1 votes

It varies. Consider that the true damage conversion isn't bonus damage. So for example it'll have minimal effect versus squishes, but be extremely noticeable versus tanks. Also, like you noted, good versus objectives.

Also you are DRAMATICALLY underestimating how much shyvana likes slow resistance. Kiting is far and away her biggest weakness.

The CD-R is probably the weakest one, but CD-R is still actually quite a strong stat on her since when you cap it you can keep 100% uptime on burnout and her E mark, and since a lot of the big CD-R items are mana based, she generally has some trouble itemizing for it.

Overall I think that they're all useful, and it'll vary by game. If you're facing Ashe, air drakes will be super strong. If the enemy has three tanks, fire's value will shoot through the roof (and fire is usually not as good on shyvana as it is on others because she doesn't tend to build a lot of ad or ap, favoring on hits).

Bladerunner77773 votes

Then...

get a dragon...

It's not like Shyvana has any problem taking objectives

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

Not really. All of them seem pretty strong and useful to Shyvana in their own different ways. I don't really see a Shyvana saying, "Fuck me, there's a Cloud Dragon, ff@20," or an enemy team saying, "Oh shit, a Cloud Dragon spawned, we're totally fucked if she gets that one."

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

If she manages to get 3 mountain drakes, she will be able to take towers solo without minions. I think the mountain drake bonus are actually too strong.

Solari Fortune1 votes

you gotta remember that towers don't really take damage when no minions are around this is more for like diving a team under tower or trying to solo baron

The Blue Rajah1 votes

Yeah, but she still gets the regular mountain drake true damage.

GigaPube2 votes

its the dragon spawns themselves that are the RNG component. she will get a buff regardless of the dragon she takes, its just that now the effects on her are exacerbated. the risk/reward here is still what dragon is in the pit and which dragon her team manages to secure

Sire Hippington3 votes

Especially the ocean one, if i already go for cdr(i currently get trinity warmongs and 10% from runes), it becomes pointless, and if i poker on getting oceans and thus take less cdr i might end up with only 25% cdr cause no ocean spawned. The rest of the change are atleast usefull no matter what you rune/built.

nekochan1 votes

Yeah I don't like CDR, especially RNG reliant CDR built into a kit

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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Yeah I don't like CDR, especially RNG reliant CDR built into a kit

That's actually my only issue with these changes. I can't build or play around that at all.

Now if that cdr was on top of the cdr cap THEN we're talking.

60% cdr deep breathing

ADepressedLeona8 votes

"Cannot be disabled"

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/077/so_good.png

LichKing2342 votes

the buff we been waitting for

Big Lincoln7 votes

this new passive is making me agitated lol.

riot already tried to make 2 juggernauts have power tied to the map or objectives. Skarner Mordekaiser look where they're at now. there is no way this will ever be balanceable; it's eiher busted or broken

Zenthon Prime8 votes

Skarner and Morde had no connections to objectives prior. Shyvana already practically lives at the dragon pit.

Big Lincoln3 votes

Skarner broken in spires, worthless outside of them. got nerfed to death and now riot doesn't even want to balance him as a juggernaut

Mordekaiser being unstoppable with dragon ghost, twiddles his thumbs for 6 minutes if he doesn't get it

shyvana getting the same passive, but souped up on RNG, is doomed to fail

Zenthon Prime8 votes

I don't think you get it. Not only is Shyv passive weaker than either Skaner spires or Morde dragon, but it's already in her playstyle to prioritize dragon. Skarner and Morde were forced to because of their passives; they had no real reason to focus on objectives without the minigames.

TyrekGoldenspear6 votes

Also in my testing of the changes I ulted and was hit by CC mid flight, normally this stops you dead, but a little message appeared saying "cannot be disabled"

Mira will love this. ^^

MunchCrunchLunch6 votes

her old passive needed to go. but am not sure that this is the way to go. if she gets dragon. her passive is most likely too strong. if she gets none. she has no passive

bad arcade kitty4 votes

another thing which i dislike it's that they enforce the meta again

not like they didn't do it before, consider soraka who was shoehorned into being a support forever, but it's still annoying

i mean that with this passive you can't really play shyvana top, even if you teleport to a drake but without smite you likely won't be the drake killer, at least in the soloq

p.s. that's assuming that only a drake which was killed by her personally counts

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

i mean that with this passive you can't really play shyvana top, even if you teleport to a drake but without smite you likely won't be the drake killer, at least in the soloq

You still can. Dragons killed by her team still give her the buffs.

It's like a normal dragon buff, it's just that Shyv gets extra stuff.

Solari Fortune14 votes

If her team kills drag she still gets the buff

bad arcade kitty3 votes

also i don't like that it's a snowbally passive

i.e. if you don't manage to get a drake because your team is behind you are much less tanky now than how you used to be. you virtually have no passive till you get a drake too

making shyvana a snowbally jungler is not nice -_-

Solari Fortune1 votes

eh her current passive is not really noticeable all that much. Plus this passive is tied to what drags spawn, no infernal drakes? no true damage. no mountain drakes? no extra dive power.

LankPants2 votes

Her current passive is very noticeable. It's like having an extra Chain Vest and a Neg Cloak just for existing, that's actually really good.

Plus this passive is tied to what drags spawn, no infernal drakes? no true damage. no mountain drakes? no extra dive power.

More bullshit tied to RNG that you can't control, great.

The passive scaling also makes no sense. If you get a single Infernal Drake you're set, you need all or at least two Ocean Drakes for them to be useful. Cloud Drakes and Mountain Drakes give laughable benefits, towers and objectives already do almost no damage to tanky champs and 15% slow resist from 3 Cloud drakes is more or less unnoticeable.

Chamuel852 votes

OOOO LORDY! I love shyvana (too bad I'm a support main. :))

bad arcade kitty2 votes

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OOOO LORDY! I love shyvana (too bad I'm a support main. :))

it's not nice/ shyv is my go to jungler when i don't try to learn kindred and i'm mad that she is going to be banned very often like some hecarim or khazix

Jad2 votes

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it's not nice/ shyv is my go to jungler when i don't try to learn kindred and i'm mad that she is going to be banned very often like some hecarim or khazix

I think you'll be fine... people will be busy banning Rengar and Talon ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

bad arcade kitty1 votes

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I think you'll be fine... people will be busy banning Rengar and Talon ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

not sure about rengar (albeit his ult is rather poor now) but talon is imo poor and will lose his novelty very soon

RaiokuMoonscar2 votes

indeed, replace that talon with Khazix and i'd say that's correct

ABlueQuaker2 votes

Shyv doesn't need this...

Zenthon Prime5 votes

Yeah, she kinda does. She's getting nerfed hard by the new masteries and jungle, and her winrate has been dropping consistently for the last several months.

MrWasjig2 votes

So if she's being tuned to operate without her passive....why fucking bother?!

Does it not seem redundant to anyone else?

agbudar1 votes

its snowball potential. much like how when morde gets an elder drake he can solo baron or push a wave down to the nexus.

MrWasjig1 votes

But isn't that something Riot wanted gone? Oh wait....no they wanted shorter games, so snowballing will help. Nevermind, carry on.

Oglaf1 votes

Her actually becoming beefier (like Gnar) in her Final Form(TM) is something they should've implemented ages ago, really.

Sire Hippington4 votes

Beefier? She gains up to 350hp,** but looses 40 armor and mr. ** 350hp is worth ~900g, 40 of both resis is worth ~1500g She actually looses a bit tankiness with those changes.

Oglaf1 votes

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Beefier? She gains up to 350hp,** but looses 40 armor and mr. ** 350hp is worth ~900g, 40 of both resis is worth ~1500g She actually looses a bit tankiness with those changes.

They're removing her passive?! O_O

Sire Hippington2 votes

Yep, with those boni based on dragons, so snowbally and rng depending....

Passive: Now has effects based on the elemental Drakes ( not yet implentended) http://media.lolusercontent.com/api/embedly/1/image/resize?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FCw8Am7VUAAAk_W-.jpg&key=a45e967db0914c7fb472fd4381e6c85b&width=425

I really hope that passive changes don't go through to life

edit: seems like she still keeps some armor/mr from the passive, it just doesn't double in dragonform, so she only looses up to 20 armor and mr. Still think the new passive is to rng and snowball dependent and not a good idea.

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