Pyke is a Support Assassin Hybrid

Solari Fortune·May 14, 2018·146 votes·22,661 views

This Term shall be known as

The Assport

94 Comments

MetalGearTeemoMay 14, 201816 votes

I look at his kit and i see hook+gapecloser+stealth.

and an ult that gives your laner the gold.

He's going to be a jungler.

Lord Phazanor May 14, 201872 votes

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I look at his kit and i see hook+gapecloser+stealth.

and an ult that gives your laner the gold.

He's going to be a jungler.

Assport.
Gapecloser.
We're on to something here.

Gentleman GemsMay 15, 20188 votes

If by something, you mean the fact he's literally going to tear into the booties of all other supports? Then yes

And I mean, All other supports ~~Even the men~~

TeCoolMageMay 15, 20184 votes

especially the men

Ftfy

CasterGilgameshMay 14, 20185 votes

he will only be a jungler if his passive lets him regen health from the monster damage also he gets no health from bonus health it gets turned into ad so he will be squishy for the whole game so that rules out tank

LittleDemonTristMay 14, 20181 votes

Whats the ratio? 1:1?

FakeGravityMay 14, 20183 votes

i think you mean 1:0.10 probably, 300 health turn into 30 ad? i do hope not all his bonus hp get turn into ad so i can build tank and still do damage

PimasterchampionMay 14, 20181 votes

You can still stack resistances, so Pyke does get a bit tankier.

CasterGilgameshMay 14, 20187 votes

well yah you can still get armor but armor isnt worth as much without health to also compliment it just like health isnt as good without armor

FakeGravityMay 14, 20181 votes

well you can always get artificial health in the form of shields but i guess it wouldnt be remotely enough

CasterGilgameshMay 15, 20182 votes

you would need janna on URF to give enough sheilds to make up for pykes lack of health lol i theorize his build will have at least two of these item 3401 item 3800 item 3107 item 2065 item 3109 while he doesnt get the health benifits from building health he will at least get AD plus the utility of the items to add to his kit which only has CC and some damage

Chembaron YamadaMay 15, 20185 votes

Riot already confirmed that all his bonus health gets converted. Pyke has no way to increase his health pool besides the growth from levels.

Red WreckageMay 15, 20183 votes

whats teh point of building tank HP items then lol. building straight up AD/lethality should be better?

LeetriMay 15, 20182 votes

You're not supposed to build tank items, but the regular support items usually give bonus HP.

Lajinn5May 16, 20181 votes

He's probably not going to be building the normal support items, he's probably going to go relic line into damage

Chembaron YamadaMay 15, 20185 votes

I think that is actually the point. We are talking about a champion here who is supposed to be played as an assassin, but with 2 forms of hard CC in his kit.

Remember the tank Ekko dilemma? I think this passive is there for 2 things:

Preventing him building tank
Making his start with Relic Shield less awkward.

But after the vision item, you are probably best building straight AD and lethality.

Warlord RhinarkMay 15, 20182 votes

item 3083

Where is your god now?

Chembaron YamadaMay 15, 20183 votes

So you buy alot of health (which is probably wasted, I don't think the ratio will be high enough to make that worth, probably better to just straight buy assassin items) and besides that you get absolutely nothing, not even the passive effect.

Warlord RhinarkMay 15, 20181 votes

Well consider this.

all bonus health gets converted

Warmog's Armor = 800 health.

Warmog's Armor = 800 AD.

6 Warmog's Armor = 4800 AD.

Not to mention the 1200% health regen and 40% (60%) cooldown reduction.

Chembaron YamadaMay 15, 20182 votes

Yes, all bonus health gets converted into AD. But who said that the conversion is 1:1?

Let's assume all health gets converted into AD with a ratio of 0,10. This means your build would give 400 AD. At this point, you are better served with building AD items, since they give better additional effects.

Warlord RhinarkMay 15, 20181 votes

I would agree, it would be pretty useless if that's the ratio.

I guess we'll just have to wait till PBE to find out.

Auz the RipperMay 15, 20181 votes

It’s actually not that useless as the straight up gold efficiency conversion of health to AD comes out at 1:0.075 So 1:0.1 would make health pretty appealing, although the only health items with passive pyke wants are black cleaver and maybe mallet

Lajinn5May 16, 20181 votes

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Well consider this.

all bonus health gets converted

Warmog's Armor = 800 health.

Warmog's Armor = 800 AD.

6 Warmog's Armor = 4800 AD.

Not to mention the 1200% health regen and 40% (60%) cooldown reduction.

That would be stupidly overpowered, and no company in their right mind would ever ship such a disgustingly overpowered monstrosity

Warlord RhinarkMay 16, 20181 votes

I mean.

7.29 Galio was a thing.

Member that?

I member.

Lajinn5May 16, 20181 votes

True that was overpowered, but this is a different level of OP altogether. A 1:1 conversion of bonus HP to damage would legit be impossible to fight against at any point in the game.

As for the actual ratio, I think I've heard that it's a ratio of .15 or so

ShinjusukeMay 16, 20181 votes

LOL

"1:1"

Incoming 1k AD from warmogs :^)

nm1010May 14, 20182 votes

also he gets no health from bonus health it gets turned into ad

Where did you get that from? I don't see it on the red tracker or S@20.

Edit: Of course its reddit, silly me for thinking Riot would make info available on the boards.

HonestJohnTheConMay 14, 201814 votes

Actually, it's on his champion reveal page.

So, yes, Riot did make info available on their site.

nm1010May 15, 20183 votes

My bad, S@20 completely skipped that part when they first posted. After I commented on this I googled it and reddit popped up.

CasterGilgameshMay 14, 20182 votes

well i dont use reddit but it is on his champion ability reveal it was the first thing that stuck out to me im like "well damn well played rito" cuz i thought being a tank with stealth would be kinda op but they thought so too and planed ahead accordingly

TheDrakeBloodMay 15, 20184 votes

His Passive only works on champions. Strait from the reveal page:

When Pyke is unseen by enemies, he rapidly regenerates some of the health recently lost to enemy champions.

ShinjusukeMay 16, 20181 votes

He's still going to be a Jungler.

His kit is literally perfect for it, and with any amount of lifesteal (or the Hunter's Potion) sustain won't be an issue. His kit is just too ridiculously perfect for jungling.

Can't imagine not getting Death's dance on a diving, squishy, AD assassin, so an early-ish Vamp scepter solves the sustain problem.

Unless they specifically force him out of the jungle by making all his abilities specifically do trash weakened-by-a-percentage damage, he's going to be a jungler.

The only way people who know anything about kits are going to play him as support is if he's BUSTED as Support, and in order for him to be busted as Support, his numbers would have to be busted for jungling too.

I mean you can essentially do most of what his laning as a Support would be by playing Support Eve, and she doesn't work out so well.

Solari FortuneMay 14, 20186 votes

Nah not really, his passive only works with damage from enemy champs

also his clear will be slow according to rioters

It possible but risky

YareYareÐazeMay 15, 20182 votes

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Nah not really, his passive only works with damage from enemy champs

also his clear will be slow according to rioters

It possible but risky

Bad clear? BOOM TIAMAT!

AyzevMay 14, 20188 votes

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He's going to be a jungler.

How good his clear is and how vulnerable to invades he is will determine that.

It Hertz When IPMay 15, 20181 votes

It'll probably boil down even further to: is tap Q ass, or decently damaging?

Auz the RipperMay 15, 20182 votes

The numbers on PBE are 115% of the hold damage So stab is 86/143/201/258/316 +(.7 bAD), so pretty good base with ok scaling But it’s on a 16 second CD early and that’s way too long for early clearing. the CD does scale down to 8 seconds but you’re not gonna have enough clear at the beginning of the game

gabetheguyMay 15, 20182 votes

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I look at his kit and i see hook+gapecloser+stealth.

and an ult that gives your laner the gold.

He's going to be a jungler.

he has no clear.

BeatzBoyFTWMay 15, 20182 votes

A jungler with a very shitty waveclear doe.

DeathBurstMay 15, 20183 votes

Yeah hum... Counterpoint: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/QHeKMxea-the-new-champion-is-going-to-be-better-jungle-i-know-it

Gear5LuffyMay 15, 20182 votes

shittyclear though

ChaddyFantomeMay 16, 20181 votes

{quoted}

I look at his kit and i see hook+gapecloser+stealth.

and an ult that gives your laner the gold.

He's going to be a jungler.

Not with his garbage clear he isn't.

Michael SykesMay 14, 201810 votes

Imagined a harbour in a butthole for a second... it was interesting.

XilixerMay 14, 20182 votes

i'm just happy they finally released a new badass support character. as there is very little "cool" support characters.

TerozuMay 15, 20182 votes

Ashe Braum Leona

XilixerMay 15, 20181 votes

i wouldn't define any of them as cool. (unless your using a pun for ashe and braum) although that doesn't make them lame by any means. i guess i should rephrase to more "evil, anti-hero, chaotic, demonic" support characters. we have too many "good guy" champs in the support role.

TerozuMay 15, 20187 votes

Fiddlesticks Morgana TahmKench Thresh