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Veigar's Event Horizon needs a rework

BuCkeT SeiZureS·3/23/2015, 6:06:13 PM·4 votes·718 views

This is NOT a riot bashing post. Be considerate.

I really believe that this ability is currently just toxic for the game. I tweaking numbers will not solve anything for it. The ability needs to be reworked to make it serve its purpose. currently making it stop dashes will make it better than a JarvanIV ultimate if landed correctly. It is also still a 2.5 second stun at max rank. The ability is still ridiculously strong, its just that the rest of Veigar's kit doesn't work with it. His W doesn't land unless the target is CCed, which doesn't happen now. the cage can trap them easily, but Dark Matter hits such a small area and takes so long to fall that it the target should not get hit by it. (His Q and R are fine, though i would put more damage on his R and take away some from his W.) Then there is also the point that Veigar is extremely squishy. The lack of instant CC from his E allows people to jump on him and kill him before he can do anything. And IF they are trapped in the center, they can still damage Veigar easily, usually winning the trade.

I do not mean to bash riot by saying this, but not actually reworking the ability just seems lazy to me. People here on the forums have offered so many different views and some are absolutely great (others are.......OLD STUN BACK NOA!!!!!...... yeah). The current E makes is an amazing ability that doesn't make anyone but support veigar's happy, and that was ironically, what you were trying to kill. It doesn't help mid veigar and enemies dont like to go against it. So why not rework it to be a skill shot with travel time or a solid stun. Something like a velkoz E but stunning when it hits. or some other original skill shot. heck, even a not original skill shot. Just something that can fill the role it needs to.

TLDR: The new E is still Overpowered, it just is not good in Veigars kit. Veigar needs a stun, not a cage. You should rework the E because of this.

3 Comments

flibitydoo3/23/2015, 7:22:04 PM1 votes

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currently making it stop dashes will make it better than a JarvanIV ultimate if landed correctly.

in a vacuum ,ignoring the rest of their kits, yes Veigar's E is pretty much a stronger version of J4 ult.

But when you look at the champion, their item builds, and the other abilities in their kit, j4's ultimate is vastly superior (as it should be since it is an ultimate). By comparison, J4's ult serves the utility of being:a gapcloser (The 2nd gapcloser in his kit), a 1.5 bonus AD ratio-single target nuke, and it grants him cc immunity when cast. Veigar's E serves the utility of setting up his W (and his Q, though you don't need E to land Q in most scenarios), as a defensive tool, follow up cc, and to zone people out of fights (especially in the jungle). And even then, there's no point in comparing the abilities: you pick Veigar for burst damage and j4 to be a tanky initiator (and usually as a ganking jungler). Neither of these champions are picked because a team comp for their cage abilities. If one truly wanted aoe cc, they could pick Malphite or Galio (or Zyra) who do that job much better.

Wheatloaf3/23/2015, 7:39:29 PM1 votes

As I've understood things, Riot still has plans to give Veigar a full VGU. They just didn't want to do nothing to him after promising to do something for big DFG customers (and they were probably right in their assessment that there was no real "safe" place to meaningfully just buff Veigar).