Zed changes?

PowerOfHate ·Oct 6, 2016·2 votes·1,353 views

So one of the assassins that are be part of the rework is
He will get "fine tuning adjustments", and changes to Death Mark. What does fine tuning adjustments should mean? And the changes to Zed's ult? -QSS Will remove Zed's ult again? -Zed's ult will have even longer CDR? -It will be at some sort like 's ultimate to deal true damage in some circumstances?

Is it gonna be anti snowball thing is to deal less damage for each enemy he is killed with it?
Overall do you think riot will nerf (kill), or buff Zed (make him the monster from the good old times)

In my opinion Zed is pretty balanced assassin right now, and game play updates are not necessary, but considering his banrate (81.9%) riot will be just satisfy the crying players who ban him constantly and just make him useless. That's my opinion though. What you all think 'bout it?

11 Comments

Edge of DaybreakOct 6, 20162 votes

I can straight up tell you Qss will never remove his ult again since it would make 0 sense for them to change that back. They claimed they want assassins to have to play better to apply damage so it may be a change to how he lanes. Why would any champion have an ult that gets less effective the better you are at using it?

PowerOfHate Oct 6, 20161 votes

it's riot everything is possible I guess..

ShaydroxOct 6, 20161 votes

I'm honestly not sure, though I like the idea behind what they're doing. They might just take away some excessive strengths, since their plan is to make him less of a generalist, more defined strengths and weaknesses could accomplish that.

His passive is currently quite a significant chunk of % HP damage, I could see that maybe changing to a flat value to decrease effectiveness vs targets who buy defenses, for example. Not sure if that'd be the fix he needs but the general idea is there, he just needs to be less of a no-brainer in champ select (hey we need an assassin -> let's pick Zed).

AnatharionOct 6, 20161 votes

Zed is not balanced at all. In lane since he is an energy champion he can Q spam whenever it comes up. His Q goes through all the minions it hits and damages them all. Much like an Ahri Q except Ahri is a mage and she runs out of mana very fast if you Q spam minion waves. Then Zed has a shadow he can place and when he Q's he and his shadow both throw Q's at the same time in an arrow formation which can be used to zone, waveclear, or poke the enemy champion.

Zed can teleport to his shadow. Zed's ult takes him off the map so he is untargetable and then does about 25% damage to the enemy champion with the enemy not being able to retaliate until its too late.

Zed is an overpowered champion that has game breaking imbalances.

Just like Yasuo my other favorite to hate champion.

Mages who are gated by high cooldowns and high mana cost should not have to go up against Energy Assassins with no mana and higher regenerating energy pools with lower cooldowns on abilities.

All champions should use mana and all cooldowns on like related abilities should be more or less equal.

An assassin like Leblanc is much more balanced. Leblanc can Q, R, E,W and erase an opponent but then has to sit around and wait for 19 seconds at lvl 6-10 to do it again. And that amount of burst drains her mana to minimal.

An assassin like Nidalee is much more balanced. Nidalee has to land a skill shot Q which travels slow and is easy to dodge and gets stopped by creeps to mark her opponent then she has to R, and chase them down with a W,E,Q combo with the Q being the finisher. Nidalee being reliant on the first skill shot and then having to chase the enemy down to get into pounce range is much more balanced.

PowerOfHate Oct 6, 20161 votes

Nothing personal but as in general u are dead wrong about everything you just said about Zed.

2 minutes Colldown on his R until level 11 or CDR Items
22 or 21 Seconds on the W shadow so he can't just zone Q, and like 7 or 8 months ago they made update which makes Zed's Shadow throw his Q, 0.75 after Zed. Enough said.
If his Q just passes 1 minion damage is reduced by 60% u do the math.
And because he has energy is unbalanced what about ? and this is not factor at all we have champions that just don't use resource at all like Shyvana, Yasuo, Renekton, Riven, Garen, Katarina, Rengar, e.t.c
And average players can dodge skill shots so Zed's Q is not danger at all. Like I said wrong about everything, Zed is good balanced assassin with high skillcap, and basically good players can deal with him and lock him down from the game. -Also Zed is not burst champion as in general. (btw LeBlanc can kill you with Q W R even on early levels) So quick line of facts : Is Zed OP?
laning Phase 8-10 because of the passive
teamfight 5-10 he can just kill the AD or AP carry and most likely to die. And hasn't got any AOE.
CC,one 1.5 second slow if shadow E hits champ.
weak late game he is assasin after all 5-10
burst 5-10 23-40 the OP champ.

AnatharionOct 6, 20161 votes

Personally I believe all champions should be gated by the same resource. If they choose to call it mana then that's fine.

Leblanc cannot 0-100 an enemy at low levels with Q,R,W,E without ignite and several auto attacks. Q,R,W does not do the damage.

I watched Rush vs Jensen in Zed 1v1 and those two are well known for their ability to dodge skill shots. They dodged less than half of the Zed Q's they were spamming at one another on cooldown. Zed's Q travels very fast and goes through minion waves doing aoe damage in a line.

Kennen's Q hits first target and stops. Nidalee's Q hits first target and stops. I think Zed's Shuriken should hit first target and stop. Zed is an assassin there is no reason for him to have such high low level wave clear with his Q.

PowerOfHate Oct 7, 20161 votes

Strong argument have to admit it,but' if I am not mistaken his Q damge is lowering like 5-60% after every target he passes. So does it even matter at all?

OctoberIVOct 6, 20162 votes

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Zed is not balanced at all. In lane since he is an energy champion he can Q spam whenever it comes up. His Q goes through all the minions it hits and damages them all. Much like an Ahri Q except Ahri is a mage and she runs out of mana very fast if you Q spam minion waves. Then Zed has a shadow he can place and when he Q's he and his shadow both throw Q's at the same time in an arrow formation which can be used to zone, waveclear, or poke the enemy champion.

Zed can teleport to his shadow. Zed's ult takes him off the map so he is untargetable and then does about 25% damage to the enemy champion with the enemy not being able to retaliate until its too late.

Zed is an overpowered champion that has game breaking imbalances.

Just like Yasuo my other favorite to hate champion.

Mages who are gated by high cooldowns and high mana cost should not have to go up against Energy Assassins with no mana and higher regenerating energy pools with lower cooldowns on abilities.

All champions should use mana and all cooldowns on like related abilities should be more or less equal.

An assassin like Leblanc is much more balanced. Leblanc can Q, R, E,W and erase an opponent but then has to sit around and wait for 19 seconds at lvl 6-10 to do it again. And that amount of burst drains her mana to minimal.

An assassin like Nidalee is much more balanced. Nidalee has to land a skill shot Q which travels slow and is easy to dodge and gets stopped by creeps to mark her opponent then she has to R, and chase them down with a W,E,Q combo with the Q being the finisher. Nidalee being reliant on the first skill shot and then having to chase the enemy down to get into pounce range is much more balanced.

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AptestOct 6, 20161 votes

Here is my core problem with Zed:

I can not exhaust his damage effectively due to him being untargetable and queuing his burst right after he lands, whereas I have to first wait for him to be targeted (occurs after lag) and then having for the server to receive my exh order. In this scenario Zed's ability to queue abilities after being untargerable create an "unexhaustable time-frame" within which his abilities are normally cast.

or, am i mistaken?