Just a fact for the adcs out there so that they will actually heal during a close fight and instead of typing "you were going to die anyway" but proceeds to die after using heal for themselves when they get 3 man dove and get nothing out of it.
Zardo18 votesThere's nothing more tilting in the entire world than reading "heal wasn't going to save you" after you literally died to the last tick of someone's ignite.
LegacyDAP8 votesAnother fun fact. You can actually choose who you heal. It just chooses the closest person if you don't have your mouse hovering over somebody.
preternatural5 votesyou're gonna hurt their feelings man.
Crispy0Snake4 votes2 things
Healing to save support could be a huge waste of potential for the ADC later on
If you're dying, then why are you dying? Could you have played differently? This is the main thing to reflect on
My only exceptions are an ADC using heal AFTER you die, or an ADC not using heal at all when they die to a flash auto in lane or something
General Esdeath 4 votes2 things
Healing to save support could be a huge waste of potential for the ADC later on
If you're dying, then why are you dying? Could you have played differently? This is the main thing to reflect on
My only exceptions are an ADC using heal AFTER you die, or an ADC not using heal at all when they die to a flash auto in lane or something
I'm dying because my ADC didn't use heal while I was stunning the 200 HP Tristana, who then killed me because my ADC didn't want to heal me, and now he's running away....aaaand he's dead.
Crispy0Snake2 votesYou've invented a scenario where not healing is a missplay.
I never said "not healing to save a support would never lead to an adc playing out a scenario badly". I'm merely pointing out that a lot of supports go too pepeGA or try to ward when no one is visible on the map. There are lots of situations where you can avoid needing to be healed to prevent you from dying. I don't want any low elo support reading this like "relaatable dude" as if they don't bear a large part of the blame for getting in these situations for free most of the time
I was also pointing out that an ADC might not heal you so that they can possibly do more in an upcoming teamfight while you're respawning. If they heal you, you'll need to recall so you might not be present for a fight anyway. Would you prefer to have heal or no heal in a fight?
General Esdeath 3 votesYou've invented a scenario where not healing is a missplay.
I never said "not healing to save a support would never lead to an adc playing out a scenario badly". I'm merely pointing out that a lot of supports go too pepeGA or try to ward when no one is visible on the map. There are lots of situations where you can avoid needing to be healed to prevent you from dying. I don't want any low elo support reading this like "relaatable dude" as if they don't bear a large part of the blame for getting in these situations for free most of the time
Yes, welcome to engage supports like Leona, where you have to engage when the enemy wastes a cooldown. Even if your support misplays, it's better to heal them and play safe rather than give a free kill to the enemy.
I was also pointing out that an ADC might not heal you so that they can possibly do more in an upcoming teamfight while you're respawning. If they heal you, you'll need to recall so you might not be present for a fight anyway. Would you prefer to have heal or no heal in a fight?
If we can't win a fight with heal, then there's no fight coming up later, we're behind and need to play from behind, defensively, until the enemy wastes an important ult or we get a pick.
Crispy0Snake1 votesSo with point 1, I use "Could" and so I'm not saying "always save heal, let your support die, you will always benefit" only saying that there are scenarios where not healing your support can lead to less bad or good outcomes
Creating scenarios where you're at a big disadvantage for not healing the support doesn't disprove that it COULD lead to less bad or good outcomes in other scenarios
My point is that if the ADC has a reason for not healing you "I probably need heal for this drake fight, sorry", for instance, then it's understandable. Just because it doesn't work out like in the OP's example, doesn't mean you can flame/patronize them because if it did work you'd be singing their praises
Hong Kong Annie4 votesNo using heal on your support to save them is the right play 99% of the time. Even if they misplayed to get in a bad situation not using heal would just make it worse. That's giving up a kill and conceding lane pressure to your opponents, which will cost you way more than anything you could gain from having heal for a later fight. The worst case scenario for using your heal is your support dies, but if the fight was close using heal would at the very least force out your opponents if not outright win you the fight.
Bottom line. If you aren't going to use heal on a teammate take barrier instead. You get more from barrier then healing for one anyway, and this way your team won't expect you to ever be a team player.
Crispy0Snake3 votesYou say "Bottom line. If you aren't going to use heal on a team mate..." I never implied that at all
The OP has created a scenario where not healing a support is bad, and criticises the ADC player for this
I'm saying "Not healing the support is understandable in a few situations" and "The support isn't free from criticism because they, more often than not, could have avoided needing to be healed in the first place"
You can't just say "Hey dummy adc, you fucked up here, see? Fun fact: Heal is for 2 person!!" When it's likely you also fucked up if you got in that situation. The OP should be critical of their own gameplay before they're critical of others if they actually want to win games and improve
Magnesium141 votesYou've invented a scenario where not healing is a missplay.
I never said "not healing to save a support would never lead to an adc playing out a scenario badly". I'm merely pointing out that a lot of supports go too pepeGA or try to ward when no one is visible on the map. There are lots of situations where you can avoid needing to be healed to prevent you from dying. I don't want any low elo support reading this like "relaatable dude" as if they don't bear a large part of the blame for getting in these situations for free most of the time
I was also pointing out that an ADC might not heal you so that they can possibly do more in an upcoming teamfight while you're respawning. If they heal you, you'll need to recall so you might not be present for a fight anyway. Would you prefer to have heal or no heal in a fight?
Heal is useful in 1 v 1 and/or skirmishes in the current meta I can't see how it will be significantly useful in a team fight.
LordGeovanni2 votesthe same way u are inventing scenarios where its always their fault. Sure playing diffrently could have not ended up with you dieing but its likely u play how you play because you know that you should be helped because this is a team game.
cuddlykitten42 votes"I was also pointing out that an ADC might not heal you so that they can possibly do more in an upcoming teamfight while you're respawning. If they heal you, you'll need to recall so you might not be present for a fight anyway. Would you prefer to have heal or no heal in a fight?"
^ and that is you creating a situation to serve what you are trying to say. Js.
cuddlykitten42 votes[{quoted}](name=General Esdeath ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VUuUEEak,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2019-09-14T20:38:42.838+0000)
I'm dying because my ADC didn't use heal while I was stunning the 200 HP Tristana, who then killed me because my ADC didn't want to heal me, and now he's running away....aaaand he's dead.
forget to add the part where even if he didn't die not keeping you alive it's counter productive because the enemy just gained that much more gold. A death puts you a kills gold behind.
harubun4 votesusing heal? on a support? sounds like communist propaganda.
cries in adcs healing after i die and then getting salty because 'IM NOT THE SUPPORT I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO HELP YOU'
LordGeovanni2 votessupports are stupid they let adcs take heal when supports build 
and can make it better. Exhaust is always used to keep assassins off of adcs so why cant the adcs carry the Exhaust when supports carry it adcs run but supports still get focused by the assassins and die because supports have less hp and armor than adcs (unless they are mage supports like lux and Morganna) and often dont have have instant cc like adcs do along with usually a mobility boost (dash or speed) or are stuck in long animations when using their spells.
Crispy0Snake3 votesIn a fight you might heal the wrong person as support, also if the support isn't nearby then you have no heal
The only way to guarantee an ADC is healed when they need it, is to put heal on the ADC
LordGeovanni1 votesWanna make up stupid things based on not doing what you are supposed to fine (despite the fact that adcs build life steal and heal themselves anyway through their stupid ammounts of damage that each auto can heal an adc twice as much as heal mid game which is where you heal the wrong person cause youve grouped up)
Adcs could and often do hit the wrong champion and lose fights because they were hitting tanks instead of kiting around the tanks to hit more vunrable targets therefore you shouldnt rely on adcs for damage and they can afford those damage nerfs they severly need for critting 3 times and making any class in the game have an insiginficant amount of hp unless they 5 stacked armor.
cuddlykitten42 votesUmmmm....bigbrainsuppmain is completely correct. Why do you think it gives MS? It's for the ADC to use as a positioning/catching tool when they don't need the heal. Supports have minimal use for that. Also, not that many supports take heal boost passive items/runes. Healer supports are not the only supports in the game. The ADC will still need the heal as a result. The reason Exhaust is taken by supports is because peel is part of a supports job. Exhaust gives them peel. Sometimes you might take ignite if the grievous is more important. I don't think you have fully thought through the subtle nuances that go into making those choices. It's more in depth than you are realizing I think.
I'd also like to add that a good 80-85% percent of my games across the almost decade I have played have been as either ADC or Supp.
LordGeovanni1 votesNo Other class has to position or catch only adcs good to know.
cuddlykitten41 votesADC's are by far the most position reliant, therefore making heal most efficient on them ultimately. Also have to remember that the ADC will be the primary target for the enemies most often. This also makes giving them heal the most viable option. Don't take my word for it though. Run like 20 games with a duo or something (for consistency) and let me know how that works out for you.
LordGeovanni1 votesI do fine without heal while playing adc. But sure if you rely on heal and play like you rely on heal suddenly not having heal is gonna have a big effect on your gameplay if you dont know how to change your mindset. You also dont ever say how or why adcs rely on positioning more than any other class you just say they do. Its not that hard for them in the first place as they have long range and most of the time build crit that gives them free movement speed so they already have the movement speed to position themselves now you are trying to submit that a long cooldown summoner spell is critical for them to ever have any positioning. some thing they wont be able to use but once every several minutes and because of the long cooldown nature of the spell will be used even less often. Further more supports speficially do the job of helping adcs position having it on them where it will be up more often for the use of the team including adcs would be more beneficial to the team. Instead of hoarding for a what if I need it and nobody uses it on me (which is the exact situation the support is in any way)
mmoran55541 votesI love Heal, it is my favorite summoner spell.
Subdue1 votesThis is appropriate:
