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Edge of the Night, Maw vs Zhonyas

Storren·2/9/2017, 3:18:16 AM·2 votes·1,618 views

Just curious on the communities thoughts about this.

Maw was changed to be an ideal bruiser item for people to have defensive stats while bringing damage. Yet here we are in 2017 with this new Item called Edge of the night. This item legit punishes mages through and through. Its a 30 second cd active that gives a free banshees veil that lasts 15 seconds. Combine this with Maw and you get a roughly 400 Magical Resistance shield because it scales with Magical Resistance. Which QSS also gives you good offensive stats with great defensive utility.

The fact that is scales makes sense for Bruisers I understand that completely. Yet Edge of the night gives you the stats that maw used to have when it was used for assassins because it was intended to be the equivalent of Zhonyas.

Here's what my point comes in. Why is there Only Zhonyas for mages to use vs these Assassin champions like talon or Zed while the assassin has 3 options available to him that gives decent offensive stats with defensive capabilities? Is it possible for someday a Mage to get an item that gives Penetration with defensive Capabilities like Haunting Guise plus Arm Seeker that gives you like 15 penetration, 200 Hp, 80 ap, 20 armor for I don't know 3200 gold that when you activate it reflects a physical attack or spell at the target? That was just an idea you don't have to do this exact thing

I know mages have a ton of offensive items like protobelt and Morellos that are amazing on mages. Just feels like AD champions have so many defensive tools that give decent to great offensive stats that mages also lack. If Zhonyas is supposed to be Maws counter part, what is Edge of the nights?

Let me know what you guys think!

52 Comments

AlienPrimate2/9/2017, 6:04:21 AM5 votes

item 3157 item 3151 item 3027 item 3116 item 3020 item 3089

Base armor - 85 Runes - 9 Items - 45

Armor = 139 = 58% damage reduction

Base hp - 1900 Items - 1100 hp = 3000 = 7140 effective hp

item 3156 item 3814 item 3111 item 3139 item 3071 item 3036

Base MR - 53 Runes - 27 Items - 140 MR = 220 = 69% damage reduction

Base hp - 1900 items - 300 HP = 2200 = 7097 effective hp

Seems fair to me.

Before anyone says something about armor penetration remember that this is a team game. The assassin has no armor with this build so they will get absolutely shredded by AD while the mage has more health to take magic damage from the assassin's team.

ChaddyFantome2/9/2017, 3:20:13 AM4 votes

you literally have an invincibility button and you are complaining that mages don't have enough defensive options?

15 penetration, 200 Hp, 80 ap, 20 armor for I don't know 3200 gold that when you activate it reflects a physical attack or spell at the target?

This item would be broken.

Edge of Daybreak2/9/2017, 3:23:59 AM1 votes

I think you mean mercurials not QSS. Also it is hard to put a value on invincibility on demand vs a spellshield that must be used before you are in combat and a shield that only comes up once you hit 30% hp. Assassins dont normally build mercurials but it is still there and a decent active. Mages don't need as many defensive options because they come with range and on demand CC where most melee AD don't have access to.

Into The Aether2/11/2017, 8:32:18 AM1 votes

Edge of Night's active might be a little too available. Disable an opponent's ability to deal with you entirely if they have one way to catch you before you get to them. And you can do it twice in a minute.

You also don't seem to really pay for getting it, since triple lethality is a desirable end.

And the whole Lethality ADC is best ADC thing probably won't hold up as a good game state for long.

But Zhonya's is kind of its own tier. The general idea of Edge of Night doesn't feel out of place.

The whole, Zhonyas compares to Maw, and Edge can be better than Maw so Edge is bad, doesn't hold up. Zhonya's and Maw really don't parallel that well.

Ben SwoIo2/12/2017, 8:33:43 AM1 votes

I don't see how any mage player can complain about maw/edge when they have an invulnerability item item 3157 along with champs like Malzahar who constantly gets spell shields. Or Ryze who can stun with the click of a button. Or Swain who has a stun plus clicks r to heal and deal aoe damage. Or Syndra with her stun to insta r death. I think you get the point.

Incarceration3/26/2017, 3:13:48 PM1 votes

For real though. Stop with these threads.

Those AD items are conditional, meaning that they require something for the active to happen (EoN requiring out of combat channel while MoM requiring you to be low enough for the shield to activate).
Zhonya's Hourglass has multiple uses compared to those items. It is one of the most flexible items in the game. The only thing it would actually have would be lowering the CD, but that is unlikely because the active is that powerful.