Ryze's Ult Passive Discussion

lightdragoon88··9 votes·2,423 views

So with Ryze now being called OP and Riot stating they are going to do some changes, I wanted to put in my 2 cents about Ryze and I am hoping to hear your honest thoughts on them as well. What I wanted to talk about is the passive part of his Ult.

With the 10/20/30% CDR passive to his ult, a lot of items that can be good on Ryze...end ups having a lot of wasted money on them.

item 3110? While mana and armor is nice, there are still people who still argue with each other over buying this item or not.

item 3065? The passive is nice with the spell vamp on his ult...but outside of that moment there is not much else. Honestly I think you be better off with item 3083 as it gives more health and healing outside of him using his ult. On I guess there is the CDR....but with Ryze ult passive that is again a useless part.

item 3152? Spell vamp is nice on him, but again that CDR is a waste and the only other items with spell vamp in them are item 3146 and item 3124......Do I even need to say anything about that?

item 3174? I have always find myself out of mana after 1-2 uses of his passive shield no matter what part of the game it is. I have been building it sometimes and it does help me a lot, but again that CDR.

So I have been thinking of a few things and I want to hear your personal opinions on these ideas and would love to have some discussion hear about Ryze.

So the choices are as follow:

1) Keep the ult passive as is I know that people do like this passive and I might just be in the minority here so if my ideas do suck (it happens) I have no problem having this passive stay.

**2) 100 extra mana per rank. ** Every time you put a rank in your ult, you automatically gain 100 extra mana. That more mana for your shield, more mana for your damage ratios, and more mana to actually use your skills.

**3) 25%/50%/75% base mana regen ** Ryze needs mana. being out of mana is not good for him. So having him recover it faster as he level ups his ult can be quite helpful for when he is shooting them out.

4) 1%/1.5%/2% missing mana per 5 Same reason as number 3, but in a different way.

**5) Get rid of the ult passive. ** Simply get rid of the passive and let us use the full stats of whatever items we buy.

13 Comments

Aura Master Fox2 votes

I think that the CDR reduction on Ryze's ult was intended as a big buff, but it backfired by making a lot of good mage items not worth the gold because he wouldn't be benefiting from the CDR that he would otherwise be amassing from them.

I think that either the extra mana or bonus mana regen would be much better on Ryze, since in my experience with him, he can be very mana hungry if you don't specifically focus on building his mana pool, especially in the early game.

lightdragoon881 votes

You pretty much said what I thought perfectly.

Skypual1 votes

Ryze's mana ratios were lowered on his abilities so that he wouldn't be tanky and deal lots of damage. That was also the reason his ulr's passive gives him 30%cdr at rank3 so that people would stop building frozen heart

lightdragoon882 votes

But it also locks him out of many mages items.

Most noticeable: item 3174 , item 3165 , item 3152

Beddlam1 votes

I voted to leave it as is, but frankly I don't think it matters. CDR is not a great stat for him because of his passive scaling off of W CD. I'd like to see him get bonus tenacity instead, but quite frankly the CDR on his passive has very little to do with what makes him good.

lightdragoon882 votes

{quoted} CDR is not a great stat for him because of his passive scaling off of W CD.

........I feel like you don't play Ryze.

DespicableD931 votes

Yes bonus tenacity! Why isnt that an option!? There needs to be more items that give tenacity or champions with passively high tenacity coming into early game, anything to put heavy counter those snare/stun/grab heavy teams.

lightdragoon881 votes

Honestly didn't think about Tenacity.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

I feel like several of these would be buffs or nerfs with no compensation. Ryze's kit is actually fairly delicate where a minor change would swing him into being extremely UP or OP.

lightdragoon881 votes

Like how changing his passive from 3/4/5/6 seconds to 6 seconds made him go from the worst champ in the game to topics saying to nerf/hotfix him?

NamelessKilljoy1 votes

Personally as someone who plays Ryze top i think that it should stay the way it is. I usually build him tanky regardless of the gold efficiency problems. Remember he has always had cooldown reduction it may not have been as much but he had it.

lightdragoon881 votes

It was only 10% at max Q rank right?

I didn't mind just 10% as it still allowed us to buy many different kinds of items.

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