is barely any different than 
?
People complained about ult's warning being meaningless as you died the instant it was up there. So why ignore the fact that 's provides none? You can see rengar leap to you, you can't with an instant blink.... and Now paired with a mini zed ult? pffttt
disregardable4 votesTalon doesn't instantly kill you, and Talon needs to be in much shorter range before he goes invisible. Rengar can be half way across the River when he stealths. If you pink both bushes in mid, he can just walk through lane or from behind, etc. Meanwhile Talon will almost always be in sight range when he ults you.
Aeolian Melodies4 votesIf you pink both bushes in mid, he can just walk through lane or from behind, etc.
also pinking 2 bushes on your own is impossible
weeaboomer2 votesTalon doesn't instantly kill you, and Talon needs to be in much shorter range before he goes invisible. Rengar can be half way across the River when he stealths. If you pink both bushes in mid, he can just walk through lane or from behind, etc. Meanwhile Talon will almost always be in sight range when he ults you.
Talon doesn't kill you instantly? Have you been playing talon ap? Because when I look at death recap, It's always under 2 seconds. He doesn't even need to be fed. He doesn't even need to land his fucking W....
disregardable1 votes0.1 second < 2 seconds
I'm not saying it's a lot of counterplay. It's just a lot more counterplay than Rengar has got.
weeaboomer1 votes0.1 second < 2 seconds
I'm not saying it's a lot of counterplay. It's just a lot more counterplay than Rengar has got.
Same shit, aND talon can still do it in 0.1. That game he was behind and it was 1.80 seconds... much counter play for an instant blink
Yumifries1 votesTalon's Ult invisibility lasts a short duration. Aswell as having his sawblades being visible. Rengar's stealth is like 12 seconds, so I think the warning is necessary
DU Baymax1 votesWhat this guy said ^ there are many concrete differences
If talon wants to get in without you seeing him, he's going to have to blow his flash, and even that won't work if you've got halfways decent vision.
Most of the time, you are going to see him go into his ult or you are going to see him trying to get close enough to blink to you. His stealth doesn't last very long (only two seconds) and the movement speed buff he gets while stealthed is not all that great (20% if I remember correctly)
Bottom line is, 9 times out of 10, you will see talon coming. Rengar on the other hand? Lmfao
plus, I would argue that rengar can burst you down FASTER than talon can.
Plus his laning phase (talon) is godawful against most mid laners now, in my opinion at least. Until he hits 6 he just gets absolutely zoned and crushed to hell, and even then he can't all in most of them reliably. In my experience anyway, maybe others have seen better talons than me xD
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of talon right now.
Athenes Lulu1 votesBecause if I see Talon a mile away, I know he is going to kill something, better get my R button ready.
If I see Rengar THREE miles away, which is out of my two-mile vision range, I don't know what is he going to do. Oh wait, my ally is already dead.
Range does tell you a lot, you know?