To the person/team behind MF "rework/polish/clarity/secret power remove/etc"?

Leu07··9 votes·862 views

Riot said MF is in a healthy state...so why the changes?

At first it was ok...a nice steroid on her w that allows her to trade with the other adc -in early- plus the reactivation of strut, that could be just turned off by a minion.

Then

  • Miss Fortune Impure Shots (W) active attack speed gain reverted to 20/30/40/50/60 from 50/55/60/65/70

What's the excuse now for not having "the secret power" a.k.a grievous wounds?....................................................let me guess..............................the strut? yeah that would be so op, since you could reach kalista with strut, right?

zzzzzz seriously zzzzzz

I don't mind her being out of meta, or being a "bad champ" , I really enjoy playing her and stuff...but please whoever you are, gutting MF...stop.

Thank you.

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Remlap12233 votes

Now I know how Veigar and Cass mains feel.

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A Miss Fortune2 votes

Actually, I'm pretty happy for the buffs and they ARE buffs. Same for every other Miss Fortune main with half a brain.

Her Grevious Wounds didn't give her any special power, in contradiction to what people believe. I mean, sure it was nice for that one moment the enemy ADC used Heal, but it was a 2 seconds Grevious Wounds and the entire concept of Grevious Wounds is flawed anyways.

Remlap12233 votes

Actually, I'm pretty happy for the buffs and they ARE buffs. Same for every other Miss Fortune main with half a brain.

It's not about "buffs" it's about net power before vs net power after.

If I completely remove the slow from Gangplank, remove the base scaling on his Q, remove the AP ratio on his W, remove the passive portion on his E, but double his ultimate's damage, is he truly buffed? No, because he'd be completely useless outside of his ultimate, and his ultimate was used for mostly utility anyways.

Her Grevious Wounds didn't give her any special power, in contradiction to what people believe

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I mean, sure it was nice for that one moment the enemy ADC used Heal, but it was a 2 seconds Grevious Wounds and the entire concept of Grevious Wounds is flawed anyways.

You just contradicted herself. ADCs do not run summoner 21 anymore. Fact. The only time they do is when I TELL them to because I'm going Gangplank support, and I don't take flash and don't' want to take ignite as my second summoner spell.

Being an anti-healer carry was the only thing that Miss Fortune had over her opponents. Now, like I've said literally hundreds of times before, she's a jack of all trades and a master of none. Why bother taking her as a duelist when Vayne and Twitch do it better? Why bother taking her as a caster when Lucian and Graves do it better? Why bother taking her as a split-pushing carry when Sivir does it better?

You can continue to delude yourself into believing she'll be good. Go ahead, pick her ADC post 5.14 or 5.15 or whatever fucking patch she's getting released, just don't whine to me that your teammates flamed you after Lucian and Sivir bullied you out of the lane, or that you fell off so hard that Vayne roflstomped you mid game, despite the fact that Miss Fortune is supposed to be Vayne's hard counter.

I would be perfectly OK with these changes if they gave her acceptable compensation buffs. These buffs are not acceptable. They do not address the main problems that Miss Fortune has.

A Miss Fortune3 votes

How is being a jack-of-all-trades, but not being the best at anything bad, or even balanced?

She can duel really well and outduels most ADCs, she can teamfights pretty well and has it much easier than most ADCs, she scales incredibly well into Early and Mid game but has a hard fall off Late game.

I think you contradicted yourself actually. There's nothing wrong with her being able to do everything effectively, not the BEST, but not terrible either.

Sorry, but as someone's who has mained this champion for a really long time, I think I know what I'm talking about. You can continue to delude yourself and be a sheep like the rest of the community, but I'll still continue going 20-0 with Miss Fortune. Refer to my match history.

I'm not the best player in the world by any means, but currently for probably the past 20+ games, I've been going around 18-1, 23-3, 25-5 with her and I don't see a single problem with her strengths and weaknesses, she's a great champion.

Remlap12233 votes

How is being a jack-of-all-trades, but not being the best at anything bad, or even balanced?

Easy, it's bad when they aren't better at SOMETHING than their competitors, and it's OP when they're better at EVERYTHING than their competitors.

Take Thresh for example, the boards' favorite support to rag on because he's got a CertainlyT approved overloaded kit. He's got initiation, poke, zone control, and disengage. Pretty much everything.

Back when he was powerful, the tears of bot laners could fill the river. Now, he's outclassed by pretty much everyone else. Hard initiation? Leona does it better. Poke? Lulu does it better. Zone control? Blitzcrank does it better. Disengage? Well, some may debate me on this, but I believe that Janna does it better.

Grievous wounds gave MF something over all of her specialized counterparts. Now in each category of what she does, someone does it better, and does it WAY better. With how alike ADCs builds are, you need something to stand out. Once grievous wounds is out of her kit, she's not going to have anything. She doesn't bully as hard as Sivir, she doesn't poke as well as Varus or Caitlyn, and she doesn't carry as hard as Kog'Maw or Vayne. She's just kinda there.

I think you contradicted yourself actually. There's nothing wrong with her being able to do everything effectively, not the BEST, but not terrible either.

See what I said above.

Sorry, but as someone's who has mained this champion for a really long time, I think I know what I'm talking about. You can continue to delude yourself and be a sheep like the rest of the community, but I'll still continue going 20-0 with Miss Fortune. Refer to my match history.

Oh please teach me your ways oh great one! Please teach me how to go 0/3/1 and 1/7/2 with her! Such skill. Much impress. Nerf Rito plz.

I'd see your ranked ratio with her, but you're not regestered on OPGG.

Now I haven't been doing too hot with her lately because of the Devourer bullshit, but I can at least prove that those recent matches are just a bad couple of ones. This is coming from a REAL Miss Fortune main, who REALLY played her in ranked, and REALLY gets pentakills through means other than the Malphite + Orianna + Bullet Time Wombo Combo.

I'm not the best player in the world by any means, but currently for probably the past 20+ games, I've been going around 18-1, 23-3, 25-5 with her and I don't see a single problem with her strengths and weaknesses, she's a great champion.

Either you're extremely ballsy, or completely fucking retarded, because I know from my personal experience that people check match history and shit. Usually it's to bring up how Bronze One I am, but they quickly shut up when I pentakill the enemy team with titty princess. Regardless, I have the proof, and you don't. Hell, you might actually be better than me, and the changes might not affect you. In which case, by all means, be the hipster and say how good you are with a dumpstered champion. Hell, I do it with Gangplank, so more power to you if you do.

However, this isn't what we're arguing about. You're arguing about whether or not MF is going to be playable after this patch. As a MF main, I know how low of a skill floor MF has. Hence why she has a 50% ish win rate right now, despite being sub-par at best. Her skill ceiling, while higher than most "easy" champions, is definitely eclipsed by Vayne or Twitch, which means there's not much higher to go after you learn her basics. Keep in mind that Sona is considered trash tier for all the same reasons and her winrate is still higher than 50%. When she's released, if her strut isn't fixed, if her Q bounce is still extremely finnicky, and her magic damage doesn't crit to compensate, she's going below 50% winrate for certain, and probably even lower than 45%.

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Finkypop1 votes

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How is being a jack-of-all-trades, but not being the best at anything bad, or even balanced?

She can duel really well and outduels most ADCs, she can teamfights pretty well and has it much easier than most ADCs, she scales incredibly well into Early and Mid game but has a hard fall off Late game.

I think you contradicted yourself actually. There's nothing wrong with her being able to do everything effectively, not the BEST, but not terrible either.

Sorry, but as someone's who has mained this champion for a really long time, I think I know what I'm talking about. You can continue to delude yourself and be a sheep like the rest of the community, but I'll still continue going 20-0 with Miss Fortune. Refer to my match history.

I'm not the best player in the world by any means, but currently for probably the past 20+ games, I've been going around 18-1, 23-3, 25-5 with her and I don't see a single problem with her strengths and weaknesses, she's a great champion.

Speak the truth.

These sheep that are crying that she is getting gutted because shes losing grievous wounds are delusional and probably have never touched the champion.

^_^

A Miss Fortune2 votes

They're trying to act like Grevious Wounds is a huge deal, but it simply wasn't. Because she isn't pick or ban like Kalista is in LCS, or played in essentially every match like Corki and Sivir she's "unviable".

Sure, it was useful and It's helpful in a lot of situations, but overall the buffs she's being given in compensation to this is a lot. She'll be able to kite more easily, chase, have an even stronger early game dominance, and be much more stronger in mid game teamfights. They're definitely highlighting her strengths.

stealthfox942 votes

Except Cass is really good right now.

Remlap12233 votes

Cass is OP right now.

Ok, I shouldn't say that.

She's binary. Either stomp or get stomped. No in between. Counterpick or get countered.

Yes, she may be strong at the moment, but she's unbalancable with her current kit. She's always going to be either OP or UP with no in between.

Same goes for Darius, Fiora, LeBlanc, you get the idea.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

That would be broken, not overpowered.

Shaco is a good example of a broken champ, he HAS to do everything in his power to get kills or assists early, and if he does he's terribly annoying to kill and due to his kit will probably be more annoying than most other assassins. If he doesn't do well early game, he's totally irrelevant and if he just falls behind early game, then he's free kills for the enemy team if he's ever caught outside of splitpushing.

Cassiopeia isn't like this, if she falls behind early game she can rely on her teamfighting and also her insane late game. She scales crazy well with damage, and her mana problems start to fall off.

SaltyKracka3 votes

Oh my gawd, number tweaks on the PBE before a release!

Everybody sound the alarms!

stealthfox942 votes

You do realize how useless the grievous wounds where right?

Remlap12234 votes

Volibear, Garen, Warwick, Tryndamere and Aatrox would like to have words with you.

360D3GR3SS1 votes

Greivous wounds does not effect garen. Neither Tryndamere since he ends up using his ultimate then spinning away. AAtrox and voli are the only people i see being seriously hurt by this but neither are in the meta.

Timesz4 votes

It cut healing efficiency in half. That's a significant power-loss against ADC's carrying heal and fighting against supports that can heal.

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