I hope enchanters are never again viable after playing through this meta.

Eight Rocks·9/30/2017, 2:24:28 PM·4 votes·734 views

Enchanters should always be second class to tank supports. They are uninteractive, unfun, and overall unfair to the opponent.

Every single time enchanters have been meta, the game has suffered. When Windspeaker's first came out and Soraka was abusing it, everyone complained. When Ivern dominated the game with a 57% winrate, everyone complained. Now, enchanters ONCE AGAIN dominate the game and people are complaining.

How many more times will the community collectively agree that the carcinogens known as enchanters are cancer before Riot realizes that these champions are unhealthy?

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Winterwings9/30/2017, 4:41:15 PM4 votes

Oh yeah, and getting stun locked and being unable to do a damn thing for 5 seconds straight by a Leona is so much more interactive, fun and fair, hmm?

Or having a game closed out on you by a single Thresh hook with it's bs "lollipopped" hitbox that snatches onto you as if you're magnetized?

You've got a total of 0 games on Enchanters, and playing against them (even if it's every game) will only ever give you one side of the picture...

TyrekGoldenspear9/30/2017, 7:30:19 PM1 votes

That just isn't fair to the people that enjoy these champions.

Floofz9/30/2017, 7:37:44 PM1 votes

Saying that all enchanters have no counterplay is pretty bold as I'm willing to argue that they do for the most part as name and taric are both enchanters and they both have pretty good counterplay.

Soraka suffers from a 800g item that basically perma reduces her effectiveness by 40% and her laning phase is punishable by dodgeing her Qs and trading on her when she misses and goes for them or force her into a passive style which nets lane priority and pressure for u against the soraka lane if u know what ur doing.

Janna suffers from she has basically no laning phase after the double hotfix as her shields a ghetto lulu shield she does no damage so pushing the enemy for having a janna lane isn't hard which should net u advantages which u can carry throughout the game.

Nami her bubble isn't the easiest thing to land and a lot of her power budget in her R and Q makes her have counterplay in the fact that u can dodge both.

Karma actually is interactive early as shes a lane bully and then she suffers late due to having 1 spell basically as support so she falls off.

Taric his ult has a time window which is telegraphed and suffers from being weak to disengage and cc or burst and his E which holds most of his power budget out of r is a telegraphed delayed skillshot.

Sona is squishy so shes easy to punish with CC or burst

Enchanters as a class are not the issue its how power budget is distributed within there kits example being soraka who has basically all her power in just healing and her W or sup karma who has all her power really in her mantra E if it was more evenly distributed between all 4 abilities and passive theyd be less frustrating and have more room for skill expression. Another problem with enchanters is that as a class are very item dependent when power should be pulled from the items and placed into the kits of the champions themselves to add more uniqueness between them rather then all of them being walking effective gold bots late game for the most part, name is a good example of what an enchanter should look like she has cc peel some healing and a passive that she can get creative with. Making them a 2nd class support makes 0 sense as we already have a ton of champions that are in the dirt destroying the class isn't healthy for the game and doesn't solve anything.

P.S. ur ivern examples a tad flawed as he was good due to how he interacted in the jungle and how good daisy was for sieging and controlling objectives his shield was basically all his power out of basic abilities and even still wasn't what made him good.

sad þoy9/30/2017, 7:44:41 PM1 votes

No. Just no. I've mained enchanters since S4 and they probably have more weak points than tanks do, an obvious one being squish. If they're caught out, focused, or DON'T have a good team they're pretty much screwed. I main soraka & nami, and the amount of bullshittery I have to deal with when playing against a leo, thresh, blitz, OR braum isn't so aggravating and I end up useless especially against a braum > nami matchup. Sorry you're butt hurt but whether enchanters are better than tanks vice versa, some of them will always be meta.. if Rito tampered with that then I'm almost 90% sure the community would definitely have an issue and the game population would have an issue.

Queen of Thunder10/14/2017, 11:02:15 PM1 votes

Just buff tanks. We never had a tankmeta so far and tansk are truly weak. Or ADCs. Especially Crit ADCs such as tristana are super weak atm.

Enchanters are squishy af. not mobile and don't have that much dmg. Everyone can easily 1shot them or pick them out. [sg-miss-fortune] Every enchanter is free feed for me

Sasogwa10/15/2017, 12:10:42 AM1 votes

Don't say that. Enchanters are a basic game concept and can't not exist. Also they can be healthy. Just because adc's abuse the shit out of anything that buffs them shouldn't mean we should dumpster enchanters forever. The shield power is kinda strong however,and maybe we should fall back in itemization towards more aura items, aka weaker but benefitting the whole team (like locket, rédemption, the old aegis of the legion, the old zeke banner, or even the old wota (giving an ap+spellvamp aura). And as a concept ardent censer can't be balanced. Giving solo offensive stats to only the one guy you put the shield/heal on (unless you're sona) makes it way too syergistic with adc. It's too much of a "I s*ck my adc and everyone else can fuck off" item. Those items are dangerous for game health. Too much targeted defense enforces a carry/hypercarry meta where assassins are worthless. No wonder we see hypercarry adcs, hypertanks and lategame dps mages. The itemization and the removal of everything that could be annoying for adc's (targeted stuns, range-unbiased cc in general) because "lack of counterplay" on top of solobuffing items and kits (ardent censer, lulu,janna,etc.) is bound to lead to this meta.